A Mother Speaks Out About Desteni

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http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,101402#msg-101402

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,101415#msg-101415

And Pharaoh said to Moses

republicofsandles

Bernard Poolman likened the initials MLM to his own ego-centric phrase "me loving me."

A link to the video I'm responding to:
http://youtu.be/6VgiEGdf57c

Re AntiHate Desteni Fabrications

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A Response to Manuela: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4U_X334WQQ

Desteni's Sources: http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/desteni-nuwaubian-holy-tablets.html

Desteni Cop out Defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxB5xqkYL1g

The Desteni Big Lie

0rdoTempliAurora

Just as Desteni dictator and Adolf Hitler fan, Bernard Poolman must be aware of the story of Hitler and the Spear of Destiny, he must also be familiar with Adolf’s concept of the Big Lie. 

Desteni is founded on one fundamental Big Lie.

When the group first appeared on the web in 2007, it was mainly represented through the videos of Sunette Spies. She was known by a fake name: ‘Winged’. Poolman’s fake name at the time was ‘Eagle’. An eagle with wings outspread is a symbol of Germany, as it was in the time of the Nazis.

The Desteni website is hosted by the South African branch of the German company, Hetzner. Desteni's promotion of Hitler may be against Hetzner's acceptable use policies. In Germany there are laws against such things as promoting Hitler and anti-Semitism.

Sunette Spies ‘channelled’, or in Destenispeak, ‘portalled’ animals, demons, insects, qualities or ideas, mythological gods, fictional characters, inanimate objects, dead children, cult leaders, rock stars, philosophers, politicians, mystics, movie stars, psychics, occultists and Adolf Hitler.

This poor demonstration of skill in the performing arts was presented as if it were an ‘interdimensional’ revelation. Every piece of media to have emerged from the Desteni farm since then has been a development and extension of Poolman’s manipulation and exploitation of Sunette Spies, who is young enough to be his daughter. 

Poolman cynically contrived the ‘interdimensional portal’ as a publicity stunt, an outlandish and bizarre fake ‘truth’ in the hope that no-one would suspect that he or Spies would dared to have lied about it, and that as many people as possible would be stupid or naïve enough to believe it. Poolman makes it clear that he has no regard for the intelligence of people in general, certainly not for anyone who does not subscribe to his fantastical nonsense.

As it’s turned out, some people do believe it. Incredibly, there are others who don’t believe that the ‘portal’ is real but that her message of so-called ‘self-honesty’ is true in any case.

The ‘interdimensional portal’ is the Desteni Big Lie, concocted as it was to establish and promote Desteni, which is a cheap scam to advance Bernard Poolman’s Hitlerite ambitions to be a notorious cult leader and make as much money as he can into the bargain.

Decisions in the Desteni group are centralised by an elite core group, including members such as Marlen Vargas Del Razo, Esteni de Wet, Sunette Spies, Andrea Rossouw, Bella Bargilly, Darryl Thomas, Matti Freeman, Cameron Cope and Katie Conklin. 

Destonians denigrate non-Destonians, branding them as useless robots that don't deserve to live. Suspicion and hatred of everyone outside of Desteni is actively cultivated by Poolman in boring diatribes against all human beings’ thoughts and actions. It is as though anyone not belonging to the Desteni nation is in terms of Nazism the equivalent of a Jew.

Desteni has nothing to do with equal rights, equal opportunities or any authentic concept of equality at all, and nothing to do with liberty, justice or freedom. ‘Equality’ in Desteni is simply, inequality; outright exploitation and abuse of the individual and the group for the benefit of an elite.

There is the suppression of all criticism and a corrosive devaluing of autonomy. The first rule is: ‘no opinions’ except Bernard's. Outside of Desteni any other values are regarded as worthless. 

They have outright disdain for intellectual activity and no respect for the creativity of the imagination. 

In the ‘Equal Life Party’ system, religion and state are interdependent. 'Religion' meaning Desteni and the state being the Equal Life Party.

Much of all this would only be obvious to those who would take the time to look into it. In Desteni certain key ideas may not be apparent at a surface glance. They are not often openly talked about or admitted to by the Desteni acolytes. Instead they shift the focus towards building up the false image of Desteni as an activist movement for positive social change. 

But Bernard Poolman’s ‘Desteni’ is a pack of occult, fascist lies.

“… in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

Apple AppStore Logo Copied by Desteni - Why?

Ivan Rauscher

In a previous post it was shown how the Desteni I Process logo is a copy of the patented Apple AppStore logo.

Apple AppStore logo

The Apple brand's cult-like following was highlighted in a 2009 documentary called Macheads, 'an exploration of the fanaticism that surrounds the Apple brand, featuring interviews with Mac evangelists and members of the Mac community'.

Apple fans are said to belong to the Cult of Mac. Neurological research has shown that Apple triggers 'religious' reaction in fans' brains. This was covered in a BBC TV show, Secrets of the Superbrands.

original Desteni I Process logo

The name, "Desteni I Process" is obviously based on the famous brand names, Apple iPhone, Apple iPod, Apple iPad.

Conspiracy theorists theorise as to whether Apple Inc is run by the Freemasons. Apple is already seen by conspiracy theorists as a major player in the New World Order, but of course Desteni want to be the New World Order.

Looks like Desteni are hoping some of the success of the Apple brand and the loyalty and devotion it inspires will trigger a similar response in recruits for the Desteni I Process pyramid selling scheme.

Desteni’s New Age Guru

Ivan Rauscher 

In a thread entitled ‘Symbolic Representations of Self’ at the Desteni Subscription Forum, a post regarding Bernard Poolman’s witchdoctor monster avatar, and written by Darryl Thomas was leaked by a renegade Desteni member to the Cult Education Forum last year. In it, Mr. Thomas explains that the "Beast" is Bernard.

According to Mr. Thomas, Bernard has ‘gotten out’ of ‘the mind’. He ‘stands as’ and ‘speaks for’ beasts – ‘in fact’. It’s as though he has no way of thinking a thought any more, but something far more important: a unique magical connection with the animal kingdom, and that's why in the ‘totality of his being’ he’s The Beast God of the Tribe of Desteni.

Desteni try to distinguish themselves apart from, or opposed to, any New Age or spiritual group, but nearly all spiritual gurus or New Age leaders are depicted as having transcended or ‘gotten out’ of ‘the mind’. Many of these frauds who say they're from a shamanic tradition are also said to have a special relationship with animals.

In another post to the Desteni open forum by Mr. Thomas, called The Portal Placement (where thanks is given to martial artist, Bruce Lee and occultist, Alice Bailey) Poolman is again described in the same way as almost any so-called ‘enlightened’ New Age guru or spiritual master. 

That someone is ‘not an individual’ but ‘equal and one with existence’, ‘able to be in both ‘the dimensions’ and ‘the physical plane’ and is ‘self-realised as who we really are’ is exactly what New Age disciples, spiritual and cult devotees the world over say about their leaders, gurus or masters. 

It’s no different in Desteni. Poolman is their herald of a new age of ‘heaven on earth’. He’s the only one in the group allowed to symbolically represent himself with just a Halloween comic book picture and no real images or videos. He dictates to the rest of them what they should blog or v-log about. He’s the author and/or originator of the Desteni material, and to the members of his tribe, whatever he says cannot ever be questioned because he speaks as ‘equality’ itself. 

He makes a very direct dictator point when he says that Desteni is defined specifically by him and can only ever be whatever he says it is, or what his ‘portal’, his medium, Sunette Spies, says it is. Maybe the Desteni group ‘stand for’ being ‘equal and one’ with Poolman, but then he has stated that there is no such thing as anyone being equal to him.   

Everything Desteni ‘stand for’ is focussed on what Poolman stands for, and is merely to support his narcissistic notion that he’s ‘self-realised’ above and beyond anyone and anything else and has the monopoly on ‘equality’. 

In fact, he’s their new age guru and Desteni’s just the cult of Bernard Poolman. 

Dear Desteni Movement...

Felida The Geek

I have watched you try to scam people for a while now. I have also watched as you filed false DMCA notices and flagged channels down that exposed you for what you are: A cult like organization that is trying to scam money out of people via a pyramid scheme. I have watched as good channels were permanently shut down for the simple reason of exposing you. And I have decided that I won't watch any longer.

As you may have noticed, a lot of the counternotices to your false DMCAs recently filed had MY name on them. That's right, MY name, which is perfectly legal, as I have accepted a co-ownership of the videos you had falsely removed. Falsely removed, because they were covered by the fair use provision. As a bit of a reminder, here is what copyright law has to say about fair use:

17 U.S.C. § 107

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

the nature of the copyrighted work;

the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

You will notice that none of the videos you filed a DMCA claim against were of any commercial interest. The sole purpose of these videos was to critizise and comment on your money making scheme that you so blatantly hide behind your supposed social and environmental program.

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The Spear of Desteni

Although he has not admitted to it, the founder of the Desteni organisation’s use of the word ‘Desteni’ appears to have been inspired by another occult fantasy.

The Roman centurion, Longinus is said to have pierced with a spear the torso of the crucified Jesus Christ. Amongst several other historical spears, there is one in the Hofburg Museum in Vienna, Austria that is said to be the original Spear of Longinus.

As promoted in literature pertaining to the influence of the occult in the rise and fall of Nazi Germany in its bid for demonic world-rule, such as Trevor Ravenscroft’s semi-fictional best-seller Spear of Destiny (1973), a book full of unsubstantiated claims, the sight of the Spear of Longinus, or as it’s otherwise known the ‘Spear of Destiny’, is said to have sent Nazi dictator, Adolf Hitler into a power-mad reverie.

Legend has it that anyone in possession of the Spear of Destiny is said to possess the power to rule the world. 

According to Ravenscroft, the Spear of Destiny had been acquired over centuries by a number of famous military rulers. When Hitler in his younger years visited the Hofburg Museum he was so struck by the Spear of Destiny’s unseen power that he identified himself with it as a former owner of the spear and future ruler of the world.

One of the keys to unravelling the deranged occultism of Desteni and its so-called ‘common sense’ principles is the fact that Bernard Poolman is a self-confessed admirer of genocidal maniac, Adolf Hitler.

Poolman’s writings about Hitler, in which Adolf tells the story and is always portrayed in a positive light, Poolman’s fantasies of meeting Hitler in the afterlife, called I Am Hitler and the video ‘interviews’ with the Desteni ‘portal’ Sunette Spies playing the role of Adolf Hitler (and MyKey as Poolman re-names him) form a significant part of, and are central to the ‘Desteni’ occult philosophy.

Poolman recommends Hitler’s economic policies as a good example of what might make for a global ‘equal money system’. Some of the Desteni members openly praise the fascism of Adolf Hitler, describing it as political ‘activism’, and this merely because Poolman published his absurd fantasies about helping the Nazi leader to the path of ‘self-forgiveness’.

Like the Nazi Aryan philosophy, informed as it was by Theosophy, occultism and esotericism, Poolman promotes hatred of the ‘Jewish principle in man’ and the ideal of a superior ‘pure’ breed of men and women under the banner of ‘equality’ belonging exclusively to the nation of the ‘Destonians’. Those outside Desteni are regarded as unworthy of life. Sexual relations with them are forbidden. ‘Self-perfection’ transcends everything and everyone corrupt and decadent as Desteni proceeds with its insane plan for world domination. 

Desteni is Bernard Poolman’s spear of destiny.