Response to LLCraver on the Real Equal Money System

XfinksX
(as posted at the Cult Education Forum)

Hunter-gatherers

LLCraver on the Real EMS:

which is in regards to the absurdity of using such words as ‘level of equality’ in one statement, as commonsensically, that does not mathematically compute. Why? Because equality does not have ‘levels’ but is absolute in expression – equal is equal, simple as that – a mathematical equation cannot have ‘different levels of answers’ to the equation. No – that which is on either side of the = must be equal (ex: 1+1=2, 2=2). (http://equalmoney.org/2012/03/response-to-desteni-cult-blog-the-real-equal-money-system)

I’m sorry Miss Craver but there are degrees of equality in societies – even your run of the mill anthropologist will acknowledge this. Now, if you’re saying that equality doesn’t exist unless it fits into the perfect ideal you have, then that is your viewpoint. I think most people will agree that there is a difference in equality from a society like Ancient Rome and one such as the modern USA. Also, societies are complex creatures. You can’t just plug in 1+1 and expect it to work like you want it. This is why social sciences are considered soft and why physical sciences are considered hard or rather precise.

The argument that there was at some point ‘Egalitarian societies’ is simply not true, and even ‘xfinksx’ noted this when he stated: “While not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies were thoroughly egalitarian…” – yeah, however – not only were ‘not all Hunter Gatherer and Tribal societies thoroughly egalitarian’ – but NONE of them were.

Miss Craver, my point is that those primitive societies approach a level of equality in practice that outshines most other societies including Desteni which is a top down organization. Just look at which direction most of the money flows in your group – which is described in the EMS overview with the funny little potatohead pictures on the Desteni iProcess site. Who is at the center? It isn’t you nor Spamann. I’ll give you hint: It is at the farm. But, what was wrong with those societies in the past that didn’t make them truly equal? Well for the most part, this was the problem:

http://www.mesacc.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/glues/societyintro.html

Quote:

Egalitarian societal members tend to treat each other as equals. Wealth differences are few as is the amount of power available to any individual or group. The people possess norms that emphasize sharing and ideals of interpersonal equality. This is not to say that stratification is non-existent in these societies. In comparison with nonegalitarian societies, however, stratification is relatively insignificant. Even when someone like a bigman is present, prestige is important and linked to redistribution. However, the bigman gives more than he receives as his role as a redistributor is defined. If he hordes or possesses too much, he will lose the recognition as a bigman. In effect, he is a member of society as an equal who has a defined role that carries prestige but not wealth and recognition but not status.

Now, who at the Desteni farm acts like a Big Man in regards to wealth? Somehow I think he gets more than he gives back. Therefore, the Big Men in those primitive societies are way cooler than Mr. Monster Mash.

Talk about ‘vagueness’ – here, ‘xfinksx’ is making elusive statements, basically punching at the air, with no substance or insight into what he is in fact expressing. He basically is making a statement with no practical significance, as it shows no point of understanding or moreover offers no solution to the problem of inequality.

You know it looks like you just want to call what I’m saying as vague because you’re pissed off that I called your sparkly little meme-toy vague. But whatever, It isn’t vague Miss Craver. It is called ownership of resources. The person or people who own the resources dictate the laws and thereby how wealth is acquired and maintained. You can have all the money you want, but money has no real power by itself. Implementing your EMS will not change where certain resources are located nor would it stop people from trying to horde possessions (here’s a secret: people don’t just horde things for reasons of scarcity). Never will everyone on earth agree to become Desteni tool slave willingly. And unless everyone isn’t mind controlled your EMS won’t ever work period! Now as for solutions and potential realistic alternatives, they are out there – you just don’t bother to look or take the time to understand them. But, they have nothing to do with Desteni pipe dreams, money schemes, self-writing, self-forgiveness, talking to the dead, or ignoring the BS claim that Desteni messages came from some supernatural source.

Desteni Love = Money & Microchips

Ivan Rauscher

Desteni say they're anti-hate but does that mean they're ‘pro-love’?

They are taught to regard hate and love as ‘two sides of the same coin - a mind construct through which people enslave themselves and each-other into lying and deceiving and becoming greedy in self-interest’ (Bella Bargilly). 

In a video starring Sunette Spies as ‘The Portal’, of ‘the actual system program, Design of Love’, she suggests to ‘everyone in existence’ that...

‘The word love is the most disgusting, vulgar word that exists, because love is THE most abusive word that exists within existence. Uttering and speaking the word love usually supported the manifestation of child abuse, child molestation and rape in this world.’

Spies explains that because use of the word love tends to form relationships, connect people and create ‘systems’, she strongly advises against it. She says of love, ‘don't speak it, don't believe in it, it does not exist’, ‘if love exists within you, discard it’, and claims ‘there is not one thing of beauty in this world’.

This might suggest that as well as being anti-hate, Desteni are also anti-love, but there is more to it than that. They are of the view that love is not at present a reality and only Equal Money is Real Love & Oneness. 

They define love as ‘equality’ and say that ‘love is only real where equality is real’, and Real Love is to Give to the Desteni cult, which according to Bernard Poolman, everyone should join, because it is the best cult in the world and the only one capable of bringing about a Micro-Chip Solution for Real Love and Oneness. In other words, ‘love’ is only possible through money that is ‘equal’ and that is only possible through micro-chip technology.

They propose that their ‘equal money’ micro-chip final solution will eventually come about when enough people buy into their multi-level marketing scheme and buy Desteni t-shirts (‘get dressed for equality!’) to help fund an Equal Life Foundation, an Equality Corporation and Equal Life Party, all of which will be towards imposing financial Equality on this World. In turn, they say this will induce a common sense of actual, real ‘equality’ in all areas of life for all people everywhere.

So, according to Desteni, real love does not exist, but it will exist when the Desteni organisation gets enough money to finance a political party, a corporation and what they say are the required technological means to enforce ‘equality’.