Thursday 15 November 2012

Cultish Behaviour Patterns - Desteni Doomed - 3

Ivan Rauscher

(continued from Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization? / 2: Cult Awareness)

In a recent video called the Desteni Cult? Johnathan Motz said that he and other Destonians type 'shit' about thoughts, emotions, feelings etc and 'what the fuck happened during our day'; they forgive and correct themselves for all the 'shit' they have 'allowed' so as not to keep repeating patterns, and then they 'walk' it to change patterns. 

He asks: is it cultish to actually think that writing, applying self-forgiveness, applying self-corrective statements and walking it -- is that cultish behaviour?

It may be that after watching thousands of videos of Sunette Spies and passing the Desteni portal idiot test individuals such as Motz joined the cult of self-forgiveness because they imagined that the Desteni material was startlingly new, original or even the ultimate truth.

Destonians fail to understand that although Desteni claims to be opposed to spirituality, the Desteni material has in fact only ever been a rip-off of New Age occultism and spirituality. It has been fabricated out of a poorly constructed re-hash of ideas already found in works by New Agers, mystics and occultists such as Louise Hay, Alice A. Bailey, Paul Twitchell, David Icke, Aleister Crowley, George I. Gurdjieff, Osho Rajneesh, Anton LaVey, Baird T. Spalding and others.

Destonians are under the false impression that because Desteni claims to stand for equality then they must be doing something useful in terms of helping to bring about equality. But Desteni or Destonians are not practically engaged in any issues of equality, equal rights, social justice or politics whatsoever. 'Equality' in Desteni is just a front; a slogan and a gimmick. Desteni has nothing to do with equality.

Johnathan Motz has not addressed even one of the various different points raised by critics of Desteni over the years. But this is to be expected. Desteni supporters have never carried out any proper research and applied themselves to the question of Desteni as cult.

Bernard Poolman implies in his Twitter and YouTube account descriptions that Desteni is perhaps 'social engineering'. Certainly, strategies of social engineering are used all the time by scammers and cults to deceive the public. Manipulating people into performing actions or divulging confidential information is how self-forgiveness in Desteni works (

In his video, Anti Desteni Movement, Poolman stated that the anti-Desteni movement, which exposes Desteni as a cult and a scam, 'forms an integral part of the Desteni process'. Obviously, the anti-Desteni movement is by definition against Desteni, but as Poolman admits, it can be considered a 'process' involving Desteni because it can deter people from joining the group.

Johnathan Motz's video is like every other video or blog in which 'Destonians' have tried to deny that Desteni is a cult, such as in their 'anti-hate' videos last year. They did so by dutifully repeating cult buzzwords, catch phrases and slogans, thereby they re-affirmed the fact that they had been socially engineered to repeat cultish behaviour patterns.

Only 'Destonians' speak or write using such half-arsed, stilted jargon as 'applying the tools' of 'self-forgiveness' and 'self-correction' and 'walking it' to 'birth life equal and one in the physical'. Motz has repeated all this and the doublethink refrain every other Desteni supporter has already repeated about anyone who says Desteni is a cult: they 'have not done the research' and 'haven't applied the tools'.

Apparently, according to Destonians, Desteni is not a cult because the people who say it is are not Destonians.  

This is why Poolman says he's grateful to the anti-Desteni movement: it presents the evidence that Desteni is a cult while he can rely on the commitment of people like Motz because they are willing to disregard the evidence, dispense with logic, suspend their critical faculties and pay to work for Poolman's 'Desteni' cult.

However, Poolman's perspective is self-defeated. His social engineering con tricks are so formulaic and clich├ęd it is obvious he has deliberately set out to create a cult. It may be psychologically damaging for those involved but is rather more a futile exercise in social engineering. All it proves is something already widely known: some people can be made to follow cultish behaviour patterns or with the right information they can avoid it.

Since their main channels were terminated by YouTube, the output of Desteni and their supporters has become increasingly repetitive; Motz's video being only one example. Their current output is lacking in content that could possibly be of real interest to anyone but the 100-150 or so persons already listed at Desteni websites as 'The Destonians'. And if you do a bit of research and investigation you will see that quite a few of their number these days appear to be lapsed or ex-members with no currently active blogs or YouTube channels. Maybe they're just bored with being involved in a group which only exists to prove it can socially engineer people to repeat cultish behaviour patterns.

Desteni Doomed - 4: Related Material Elsewhere


Deepfun said...

Anonymous said...

We'll see this:
First, even if humans have the power to channel through the dimensions would be impossible. And humans do not have such power, at least most of the world. So why this ... Sunette aberration, this power develops so fast, after all when no human can develop it so fast, it would take years to get something definitive? it's pretty obvious, it's fake. They just do it to earn money jargon.
Second, even if humans had not, it would be an excuse on the part of this organization, waking up the dark days of 1930.

And Hitler was not a great man. He was the "devil's mustache." (it's my title for this motherf @ cker).
After I have evaluated its entire history, his entire bibliography, and their cheap ideas, I concluded that he was making war against the world without any apparent reason.
Today, we know that people are violent because they can not make their needs properly, and the illuminati are just having a lot of money, roaring for more. there is no apparent reason for having killed so many people during WWII. There is no apparent reason that leads to impure or pure, it's all a matter of education, information, and evolution, not inferiority. he thought was superior, but neither developed radio frequency, to know where the enemy planes were. Tesla developed, and England was a step ahead of Germany. And Aryan race, the superior race of humanity? i mean we would be all sheep and goats?
ahahahahah. first, i do not believe in the signs being a completely idiotic, its just a matter of study and information, not signs. Second, there is many people with different signs and they make great things for us today.
Bill gates is scorpion sign, and he makes great things today on informatics.
And Steve jobs, i think he is fish, or aquarium sign, not sure, but one of this may be, and he develop the Apple like if she was the next step of human evolution.

So I do not see where this guy who poolboy says he was a great man saying the Aryan is superior. violence is not a means of strategy is stupidity. In one day i make this man obsolete from the map.

And pro capitalism? oh please. the American capitalism is already pro, how a pro + pro would be greater, if already can't give more than that? lol...
pay attention people, go study something, and see before belive in what this guys say. they are trying to wake up the dark ages of WWII.

Maite said...

Or... it could just be that the people at Desteni have tested the information for themselves by actually trying these tools you mention of self-forgiveness and self-correction and that it actually made a substantial change in their life. Have you tried them?

Desteni Cult blog said...

@Maite Zamora Moreno Why would I? There's no disputing the fact that self-forgiveness and self-correction make changes in people's lives. But when they're 'tools' of a particular group then any changes are determined only according to the ideas and practices of that one group. -- Ivan

lincoln-haley said...

"Why would I? There's no disputing the fact that self-forgiveness and self-correction make changes in people's lives. But when they're 'tools' of a particular group then any changes are determined only according to the ideas and practices of that one group. -- Ivan"

What is common sense here is that you are focusing on everyone else and that is a good distraction from yourself. Those that only focus on what others are doing are only hiding and living in complete fear. That is why some like you look at what other people are doing because you are shit scared to look at yourself and don't even realize it. You are part of a cult obviously but you don't even realize it which is why you are so focused on other people.

Desteni Cult blog said...


What, the cult of 'focusing on everyone else'? You could as easily say that those who focus on themselves don't realise they are afraid of other people.

Actually, I was focusing on myself. I was giving my point of view on the question asked, not saying it's right for everyone.... But when it comes to changing my life I don't look to just one external source or group of people to provide the tools, but look to myself and find different tools from various places to make my own ways and means.

Anonymous said...

Actually I think most people don't try them because all Destonians I have seen so far are kindof, what's the word... incompetent?
Who wants to be a loser like that? And pay money for it?
Seriously, worst business-model ever.


Desteni Cult blog said...


Well, quite. Hardly anyone is going to go for it. But I'm not sure it's even meant to be a successful business or credible political movement; more a bizarre social experiment in indoctrinating and controlling people via the internet. The real Desteni tools are the Destonians.

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