Desteni Wikipedia

JustPooIman

[See also: Desteni Wikipedia: non-notable website, vandalism, brainwashing cult -- added Nov 11]

"Destonians" = genuine people?

freespeech4tw

"Have a nice summer" if you catch my drift.
If not watch 'Buffy the vampire slayer' season 1 eposide 11 'Out of eyes, out of sight'.
Keep an eye out for these phrases, those are only the ones I found in 15 minutes of unmotivated yt-surfing.

Desteni Love = Money & Microchips

Ivan Rauscher

Desteni say they're anti-hate but does that mean they're ‘pro-love’?

They are taught to regard hate and love as ‘two sides of the same coin - a mind construct through which people enslave themselves and each-other into lying and deceiving and becoming greedy in self-interest’ (Bella Bargilly). 

In a video starring Sunette Spies as ‘The Portal’, of ‘the actual system program, Design of Love’, she suggests to ‘everyone in existence’ that...

‘The word love is the most disgusting, vulgar word that exists, because love is THE most abusive word that exists within existence. Uttering and speaking the word love usually supported the manifestation of child abuse, child molestation and rape in this world.’

Spies explains that because use of the word love tends to form relationships, connect people and create ‘systems’, she strongly advises against it. She says of love, ‘don't speak it, don't believe in it, it does not exist’, ‘if love exists within you, discard it’, and claims ‘there is not one thing of beauty in this world’.

This might suggest that as well as being anti-hate, Desteni are also anti-love, but there is more to it than that. They are of the view that love is not at present a reality and only Equal Money is Real Love & Oneness. 

They define love as ‘equality’ and say that ‘love is only real where equality is real’, and Real Love is to Give to the Desteni cult, which according to Bernard Poolman, everyone should join, because it is the best cult in the world and the only one capable of bringing about a Micro-Chip Solution for Real Love and Oneness. In other words, ‘love’ is only possible through money that is ‘equal’ and that is only possible through micro-chip technology.

They propose that their ‘equal money’ micro-chip final solution will eventually come about when enough people buy into their multi-level marketing scheme and buy Desteni t-shirts (‘get dressed for equality!’) to help fund an Equal Life Foundation, an Equality Corporation and Equal Life Party, all of which will be towards imposing financial Equality on this World. In turn, they say this will induce a common sense of actual, real ‘equality’ in all areas of life for all people everywhere.

So, according to Desteni, real love does not exist, but it will exist when the Desteni organisation gets enough money to finance a political party, a corporation and what they say are the required technological means to enforce ‘equality’.

Anti-Human Desteni Hate Machine

0rdoTempliAurora 
(with thanks to Istenenergia, XfinksX and antidestenimovement)

Months after certain videos made by critics of Desteni have been released, the Desteni group have started to comment on them. In their typical group-think, Borg-like manner, Desteni members mostly ‘respond’ to selected videos of their critics all at the same time via so-called ‘anti hate’ channels. Each chooses the same videos to ‘respond’ to and gives their own videos the same titles. It happens automatically, like a machine. 

However, these ‘anti hate’ videos are not ‘responses’ in the accepted YouTube sense because they are not linked as responses, and those critics whose videos are reviewed are already blocked, so none of the critics can respond back directly. 

Their critics' comments are dismissed, ignored or misrepresented, and the usual Desteni dogma is trotted out by rote, as we have heard many times before.

Cathy Krafft follows up her original antihate video on an 0rdo Templi Aurora video, Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman -part 1 with another on her own channel called What I have to say about the Beast of Desteni Universe - EXPOSED.

She assumes that one person made Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman - part 1 and four minutes into her video, Cathy Krafft recommends that he or she should commit suicide. Then she retracts her statement. 

‘Bernard Poolman is the most unselfish individual walking the face of this earth’, says Cathy. She adds several comments below her video containing quotes from the Beast of Desteni Universe himself, as if he were an authority on something or other. 

We received an email from YouTube stating that YouTube received a privacy complaint from an individual regarding content of the second part of Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman and were given 48 hours to remove the video, which we have not done.

The information reported as violating privacy at 0_36-0_40 was highlighted as a clip by the antidestenimovement channel.

The mere mention of Cameron Cope’s name is supposedly ‘privacy violation’. Nothing else. Cameron Cope runs a YouTube channel under the name, cameronvcope. He has publicly made his name known for some years and has his own blog and profile page on the Desteni website. He has publicly discussed his business, Desteni Education, at the Cult Education Forum with the user name, Cameron Cope.

Cameron Cope, Cathy Krafft and their pals would prefer it if Desteni critics would just disappear off the face of the earth. They really hate it when we point out that their leader is a con-man. 

It is a simple fact that the majority of Bernard Poolman's speeches are attacks on various kinds of people, most often without any justification other than the idea that money is not ‘equal’ and people generally are not members of Desteni. He never makes any coherent criticisms, he just wallows in hostility. He is very fond of calling all kinds of people and things ‘evil’. He's always making a big deal of what he calls ‘equality’ but says to his followers, ‘You are not equal to me, there is no such thing’ (see: Equality on this World).

He appears to have an extreme dislike of other people's capacity to think for and express themselves. Poolman's basic position is that he regards human beings as ‘trapped by consciousness’ and ‘evil’ by ‘design’. He regards individuality as evil. As he says in Cold blooded nature of individualism, 'individuality deserves not to exist and must be rooted out forevermore'. 

To Bernard Poolman, other human beings are demonic entities. All people’s thoughts, feelings or emotions, and even consciousness itself must be removed altogether, as must ‘the mind’. He actively encourages his followers to believe that everyone else is evil and hateful and only he and his Desteni organisation can save them. He describes ‘the human’ as 'in essence really something that cannot be trusted and must be eradicated at all costs’.  

In his own response to the Desteni Preacher of Hate videos, released 11 Nov 2010, months before the Desteni ‘anti hate’ campaign, whilst feigning, as usual, Christian forgiveness, Poolman admitted that he does ‘do hate speech’ because he speaks ‘what people hate to hear’ and of course his opponents are ‘evil incarnate’ (see: Preaching Hate Speech).

Poolman's network of consumerist drones loyal to the Desteni brand serves as a propaganda machine to convey his lies, delusions and hatred, and to instil that hatred in others. They're a gaggle of yes-people all repeating the same information. They communicate in catch phrases and jeer each other on with exclamations of ‘cool!’. When people have to say ‘cool’ so often, you know there’s nothing ‘cool’ whatsoever going on.

In supporting Poolman and echoing his views, the Desteni group enter a twilight world of inter-passive solipsism directed at others in the form of preaching what's ‘best for all’. Apparently, to bring about world equality, everyone must destroy themselves.

Desteni are ‘anti’ everything. Preoccupied with their own neuroses, they demonise others, their former friends and family, and everything that is not Desteni. It's all due to Poolman's influence, his cynical ploy to cash in on people's fears of widespread economic instability, hopes for a more just world and need to connect with others. They want to believe that they will vote for a Desteni monetary system and it will save them from ‘evil’. They take it on faith that conforming to Desteni is the inevitable ‘future of the world’, when it's just an internet scam designed to support Poolman's sordid little business. 

A Mother Speaks Out About Desteni

XfinksX

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,101402#msg-101402

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,101415#msg-101415

And Pharaoh said to Moses

republicofsandles

Bernard Poolman likened the initials MLM to his own ego-centric phrase "me loving me."

A link to the video I'm responding to:
http://youtu.be/6VgiEGdf57c

Re AntiHate Desteni Fabrications

XfinksX

A Response to Manuela: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4U_X334WQQ

Desteni's Sources: http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/desteni-nuwaubian-holy-tablets.html

Desteni Cop out Defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxB5xqkYL1g

The Desteni Big Lie

0rdoTempliAurora

Just as Desteni dictator and Adolf Hitler fan, Bernard Poolman must be aware of the story of Hitler and the Spear of Destiny, he must also be familiar with Adolf’s concept of the Big Lie. 

Desteni is founded on one fundamental Big Lie.

When the group first appeared on the web in 2007, it was mainly represented through the videos of Sunette Spies. She was known by a fake name: ‘Winged’. Poolman’s fake name at the time was ‘Eagle’. An eagle with wings outspread is a symbol of Germany, as it was in the time of the Nazis.

The Desteni website is hosted by the South African branch of the German company, Hetzner. Desteni's promotion of Hitler may be against Hetzner's acceptable use policies. In Germany there are laws against such things as promoting Hitler and anti-Semitism.

Sunette Spies ‘channelled’, or in Destenispeak, ‘portalled’ animals, demons, insects, qualities or ideas, mythological gods, fictional characters, inanimate objects, dead children, cult leaders, rock stars, philosophers, politicians, mystics, movie stars, psychics, occultists and Adolf Hitler.

This poor demonstration of skill in the performing arts was presented as if it were an ‘interdimensional’ revelation. Every piece of media to have emerged from the Desteni farm since then has been a development and extension of Poolman’s manipulation and exploitation of Sunette Spies, who is young enough to be his daughter. 

Poolman cynically contrived the ‘interdimensional portal’ as a publicity stunt, an outlandish and bizarre fake ‘truth’ in the hope that no-one would suspect that he or Spies would dared to have lied about it, and that as many people as possible would be stupid or naïve enough to believe it. Poolman makes it clear that he has no regard for the intelligence of people in general, certainly not for anyone who does not subscribe to his fantastical nonsense.

As it’s turned out, some people do believe it. Incredibly, there are others who don’t believe that the ‘portal’ is real but that her message of so-called ‘self-honesty’ is true in any case.

The ‘interdimensional portal’ is the Desteni Big Lie, concocted as it was to establish and promote Desteni, which is a cheap scam to advance Bernard Poolman’s Hitlerite ambitions to be a notorious cult leader and make as much money as he can into the bargain.

Decisions in the Desteni group are centralised by an elite core group, including members such as Marlen Vargas Del Razo, Esteni de Wet, Sunette Spies, Andrea Rossouw, Bella Bargilly, Darryl Thomas, Matti Freeman, Cameron Cope and Katie Conklin. 

Destonians denigrate non-Destonians, branding them as useless robots that don't deserve to live. Suspicion and hatred of everyone outside of Desteni is actively cultivated by Poolman in boring diatribes against all human beings’ thoughts and actions. It is as though anyone not belonging to the Desteni nation is in terms of Nazism the equivalent of a Jew.

Desteni has nothing to do with equal rights, equal opportunities or any authentic concept of equality at all, and nothing to do with liberty, justice or freedom. ‘Equality’ in Desteni is simply, inequality; outright exploitation and abuse of the individual and the group for the benefit of an elite.

There is the suppression of all criticism and a corrosive devaluing of autonomy. The first rule is: ‘no opinions’ except Bernard's. Outside of Desteni any other values are regarded as worthless. 

They have outright disdain for intellectual activity and no respect for the creativity of the imagination. 

In the ‘Equal Life Party’ system, religion and state are interdependent. 'Religion' meaning Desteni and the state being the Equal Life Party.

Much of all this would only be obvious to those who would take the time to look into it. In Desteni certain key ideas may not be apparent at a surface glance. They are not often openly talked about or admitted to by the Desteni acolytes. Instead they shift the focus towards building up the false image of Desteni as an activist movement for positive social change. 

But Bernard Poolman’s ‘Desteni’ is a pack of occult, fascist lies.

“… in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.”

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]