Desteni Process Exposed as a Game

Monty Jonson reports:

To break away from Desteni for most Destonians would also be a loss of self-empowerment because their starting point for breath was not themselves but rather the very predictable subtle intention of 'belonging in a group and believing I am doing the right thing.' 

'Intention' in Desteni was simply put - Starting Point. 

Magick, well, magic is Self-Correction, Self-Empowerment, Self-Honesty. 

Self-forgiveness is a way of removing guilt, 'cause guilt is unnecessary and can get in the way of so much. 

Once enough self-forgiveness is done the brain gets used to the idea of forgiving itself for everything and from that point on all self-forgiveness may as well be masturbation. 

It's nice, it makes you feel good. That's the way Bernard intended it to be used. 

What I am trying to make you senior Destonians understand is that this was a planned structure from the start. 

Bernard said himself, after visiting the masters and discovering the state of the bullshit reality and the lack of willingness for anyone in actual powerful ability to do anything about it, driven by anger, he desired to be and create the biggest demon imaginable. 

He has spoken many things that are incongruent with the Desteni teachings, but because you were under his spell/hypnosis (not specifically directly, mainly indirectly due to your desire to achieve 'gnosis' (whatever that whiz bang definition is for you!) and unwillingness to do it on your own steam looking for the closest thing that will do to ease the pain you feel when you think of all the children that are dieing all over the world) you never saw what he was actually teaching YOUR BODIES. 

Maybe now you will.

Full Story: Day 3 -What is left to do on a blog then if the external process has been exposed as 'the game'

Hitler-Forgiving Cult Self-Censor

Ivan Rauscher

The document at http://wiki.destonians.com/Desteni_Criticism is presented as answering questions put by a journalist to Bernard Poolman. The name of the publication for which the journalist is supposed to be writing is not given. The answers are apparently not from Mr. Poolman. It is another example of how Desteni skirt the issues, misrepresent the facts and avoid directly addressing pertinent questions. ‘Desteni Criticism’ is introduced as putting to rest any ‘hate, defamation, gossip, trolls’ and states: 

Desteni is not a cult and it is not dangerous. All such claims are located on and propagated through various online bash-boards, by people with anonymous names, without providing any evidence to these claims.

The evidence showing Desteni is a cult and potentially or actually dangerous is desteni.co.za and affiliated websites. What other evidence could there be?  

Are there any substantial claims made by anyone outside Desteni to the effect that the group is not a cult? No, but Desteni claim they deal  

with a highly controversial topics like universal equality, new economic system, current enslavement of humans through and to the money system, debunking spirituality and religions. Some people react to these topics and are not able to discuss them on equal terms with other more civilized beings. 

These topics are commonly discussed and debated every day of the week on an equal basis by all kinds of civilised people everywhere.  

Desteni regard non-Destonians as psychopaths, scapegoats for all the problems in the world. They refuse to discuss things on equal terms. Instead they block, ban and issue false DMCAs. In so-called anti-hate videos they dutifully recite the same statements for which they have been criticised in the first place, while disallowing responses. 

Recently they've taken to defending themselves with pointless insults; hatchet job character assassination attempts. 

They make bizarre, illogical assertions. For example, that I am a ‘neoliberal’ and ‘fascist’ channelling my ‘inner Hitler’, and exit counsellor, Rick Ross is a cult. They say that conspiracy theory critic, Muertos and members of the Skeptic Project Forum are racists (which implies that Destonians regard themselves as a ‘race’). 

These statements: the whole functioning of the participation within Desteni is public and Desteni functions as a hub, as an open-source community are false. 

Open source governance is defined as:

‘a political philosophy which advocates the application of the philosophies of the open-source and open-content movements to democratic principles in order to enable any interested citizen to add to the creation of policy, as with a wiki document.’

Destonians only ever repeat information gleaned from the Desteni material, which has been fabricated by Bernard Poolman. In the (deleted) video entitled ‘Process Support – Living Word & Self-Responsibility’, Poolman said:

‘Desteni's points is what I say, what the portal say, and what I write or what the portal write, or those that is instructed by me. The rest is your own processes, it's not Desteni . . . . If I have written it or it was written as I have requested it or instructed, and yes, I do instruct, that's what I am, I am a life instructor ... It's a very direct dictator point.’

The Desteni answer to the question, Does consumption of Hallucinogenic drugs form part of the Desteni way? is No.

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Consumption of the psychoactive drug, Ecstasy forms part of the Desteni way of life. It has been recommended for advancing the ‘process’ of Desteni devotees several times by Bernard Poolman and other members of his fan club (albeit mainly in now deleted unlisted YouTube videos but described here). But no, it is not an hallucinogenic drug.   

Instead of answering the question, I see you have quite a following – and not just South Africans. How many members does Desteni have? by providing an accurate figure, the questioner is referred to desteni.co.za.

They have been up and running since 2007 and have around 100 active members. When their ‘Desteni Income Plan’ (now ‘Desteni I Process’) began in October 2010, the total membership count was no more than around 100 people.  

So, in three years they recruited about 100 people, and after another year of a concerted effort at a recruitment drive providing apparent financial incentives, there are no more or less. This was also after an enthusiastic effort at recruiting using the derided practice of sub4sub on YouTube, a form of spamming they abandoned as useless after a few months.

In response to the question, Apparently you are quite a fan of Hitler? Why? Q: Is Desteni Neo-Nazi? the reply is:

There are people that misunderstood a series of articles published on the Desteni website where a perspective and an attempt for research into how a person such as Adolf Hilter thinks and perceives his world was made. According to this feedback we removed these articles and we might re-publish them later if we’re satisfied that we’re conveying the research in such a way that it is not misunderstood.

We strongly distance ourselves from any form of racial discrimination, anti-semitism, nazi ideologies, neo-nazi movements or any other similar movement or ideology.

Disregarding the fact that they are referring to Hitler as if he were still alive, which seems rather odd, the ‘series of articles’ they have apparently chosen to self-censor are chapters from a so-called ‘book’ entitled ‘I Am Hitler’ written by Bernard Poolman. It was ‘shortly available’ to order in 2007 and until very recently, portions of the ‘book’ had been featured on all versions of the Desteni website. It is a story narrated by Poolman’s version of Adolf Hitler and archived here. 

Sunette Spies ‘channelled’ or later, ‘portalled’ Hitler in several videos (as well as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Idi Amin, Freddie Mercury, and toilet paper). In some of these, and in the story, Hitler is given an alternative name by Poolman: ‘MyKey’. 

Those persons who filed complaints with YouTube against Desteni informed editors of this blog that the DesteniProductions and BernardPoolman channels were terminated specifically because of what was deemed pro-Hitler as well as commercially deceptive content.  

In his video, The Love of Jesus and Hitler Changed the World Poolman said: 

‘What was the point of Hitler's actions was he acted in love and out of love his action was out of love for his people’. 

In (the deleted video) ‘The Jew in Every Man is a Zionist’ he said: 

‘Hitler had it. He showed, and have a look, Hitler’s fight was not with the Jews as persons, but with the “Jewish nature of Man” as a “Jewish Principle”, that is not here, Best for Man, but it here “best for greed”, at a personal level. So, we have to take out the “Jewish Principle of Profit” from the Human Nature.’

 

He has made numerous other similar such statements. Desteni members have also made anti-Semitic statements and recommended Nazi policies as applicable to ‘equal money system’. 

There has been no misunderstanding. These are the facts. They have been recorded in more detail at the Cult Education Forum.

Desteni members repeatedly use the catch phrase, ‘unworthy of life’ to refer to anyone who does not support Desteni and/or in relation to their own perceived inadequacies in living up to the demands of their ‘process’. This is a variation of the term, ‘Lebensunwertes Leben’ or ‘life unworthy of life’ used by the Nazis to refer to people they believed had no right to live.

As was pointed out at Muertos’s Blog, Desteni material makes associations ‘with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories such as “reptilians,” which are sci-fi stand-ins for Jews’. The group recruits on the basis of pandering to such conspiracy theories.

Since 2007, Desteni have been promoting the idea that because Bernard Poolman helped Adolf Hitler to forgive himself, now everyone can practice ‘self-forgiveness’. This verges on support for Nazism simply because it suggests that Hitler should be excused, is worthy of redemption and an example of self-forgiveness.

Even if the historical record showed that Hitler had said he had forgiven himself, contrary to what Desteni suggest, there would still be no reason to accept it as genuine or having any great meaning for the future of the world or human behaviour. It would have no relevance to anyone else’s need for forgiveness, self-forgiveness or equality.

Destonians have closely aligned themselves with anti-semitism, nazi ideologies, neo-nazi movements or any other similar movement or ideology. They have done nothing to distance themselves other than to self-censor certain offending articles, and clearly this is only because promoting a ‘self-forgiven’ Hitler reflects so poorly upon their public image.

Nonetheless, Desteni still want to exalt Hitler as a misunderstood man who suffered for the sake of others. They are promoting Hitler as the key to forgiveness just as Christians promote Christ as the key to salvation. In the recent video, Hitler's Selbstvergebung - und eine Tote Katze, Desteni devotee, Bastian Neumann suggests that people should forgive Hitler because if they don't then, inexplicably, they can't forgive anyone, not even themselves. 

In civilised life, in personal or professional relations between equals, anyone who goes about saying that we can all now forgive each other and ourselves because Adolf Hitler told some guy in South Africa who met him in ‘the afterlife’ that he has forgiven himself, and because Hitler has spoken through an ‘interdimensional portal’, will naturally be regarded as excusing Nazism, belonging to some weird Hitler-worshipping cult and possibly being so mentally unstable they are a danger to themselves and others. 

But for the ‘Destonians’, Bernard Poolman’s deranged fantasies are reliable research in ‘the dimensions’ proving that Adolf Hitler has shown humanity that we can all be ‘self-forgiven’ and ‘thus’ create heaven on earth with equal money system, and anyone who can't see that it's best for all is unworthy of life. 

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Desteni: ‘Asked Questions’

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"Have a nice summer" if you catch my drift.
If not watch 'Buffy the vampire slayer' season 1 eposide 11 'Out of eyes, out of sight'.
Keep an eye out for these phrases, those are only the ones I found in 15 minutes of unmotivated yt-surfing.

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'Sean from Desteni' or 'Care who you trust'

Destenigossip

The internet is a dangerous place. Most people don’t realise it, but once something is online, it is impossible to be removed. Someone always remembers, someone has downloaded your video, someone has a screencap.

Let’s talk about Sean from Desteni for a bit. Sean is very trusting. He created a thread on the Desteni forum about experiences in his past that are not only rather private, they are actually quite disturbing. Sean voiced doubts about the thread and asked it to be removed, which of course didn’t happen. Sean has given up all power about what he posted one week prior. It’s not his secret anymore, it belongs to Desteni, and above all, it belongs to me too: A random stranger who enjoys gossiping about ‘Destonians’ with a devilish delight in spreading what was not supposed to be spread.

Sean, do you really think this was a wise idea?

I have heard the excuse before, “A lot of shit flies on the forum, it is not their fault.”

Not their fault?

Desteni moderators decide what is left up on the forum and what is not. Members are encouraged to expose their most private thoughts and their darkest secrets. I have read about Mattis tendency for date-rape, Lindsays first time having sex, Freds addiction to child pornography, people slapping children, hurting themselves and others, criminal acts, fears and now apparently sexual abuse.

Read more at Destenigossip

The Desteni delusion - Imagine this

By SimulacronX on 28 Jul 2010

My critical perception of some main traits and oddities in the thought-reform cult Desteni. First ever "video". I was a bit angry at them then, but nonetheless, at least I was being self-honest. Ha. Haha.

Desteni = Police interrogation tactics

By freespeech4tw

My take on some of the sadistic control-patterns of the club for everyone who digs self-destruction: Desteni.

I am not quite sure about the pronunciation, but I hope the point gets across anyway.