tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-77022027091409962422024-03-13T20:40:28.487-04:00The Desteni CultNews and views on the cult of Desteni: Sunette Spies, Eqafe, the Equal Life FoundationDesteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-59814563777846441132016-05-28T20:31:00.000-04:002017-01-15T06:26:41.367-05:00Desteni, UFOs and Illuminati Conspiracies<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihr_WEybwMS_NRqt42LDGPocATBHtmOUNa2u4fUU_H6bUAd1pcmbOCEzitd9zM5K6waW9c74xWt7CY5WrLwBLMuyDpbSuEr2razOi_w3fqqLgDoYQaznsv-hYuXo73KRhj51EGEzQrqLY/s1600/bases.johnston.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEihr_WEybwMS_NRqt42LDGPocATBHtmOUNa2u4fUU_H6bUAd1pcmbOCEzitd9zM5K6waW9c74xWt7CY5WrLwBLMuyDpbSuEr2razOi_w3fqqLgDoYQaznsv-hYuXo73KRhj51EGEzQrqLY/s1600/bases.johnston.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">flying saucer</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">No Destonian has ever appeared on video talking to a non-member of the group about Desteni. Until now...</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />TechnoTutor
UK director and long-time Destonian, Marley Dawkins, appeared May
4</span><span style="color: black;"><sup>th,</sup></span><span style="color: black;">
in a video discussing Desteni at the </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKA3zWV7k0">YouTube
channel</a><span style="color: black;">
of the Bases Project, run by 'UFO researcher', Miles
Johnston.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Dawkins
repeats the fantasies of Desteni's 'History of Mankind' and the
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank">idiotic</a> 'interdimensional portal'. He recommends the group's crude self-help techniques.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Time
is running out for the human species, says Dawkins, but by pooling
their money the members of Desteni will be able to save the planet from destruction.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />The
video is the second in a series of three featuring Dawkins and hosted
by Johnston.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />In
</span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OTIgWFU0k">the
first</a><span style="color: black;">,
Dawkins claims his grandfather worked for the British electronics,
defence and telecommunications company, Plessey, and other un-named
companies, and was a scientist, an occultist and supporter of the
Nazis.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Dawkins
says his grandfather told him all about the building of UFOs,
underground species, Nazi occult myths, the creation of giant spiders
like in Marvel comics, and how 'Non Human Cyborg Units' were
developed by the military in World War II.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />Dawkins'
third video with Johnston concerns </span><a href="http://donald-marshall.com/">Donald
Marshall</a><span style="color: black;">,
who posted on </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/notes/anti-illuminati-freemasonry2-%D8%B6%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%88-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9/to-read-part-1-confession-of-donald-marshall/10150418903279381/">Facebook
in 2011</a><span style="color: black;"> stating that he'd been cloned, tortured and abused by the Illuminati,
which some believe is an elite group that rules the world. </span>
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Marshall
has gained notoriety for this and other outlandish claims, such as
that using a special technology that can record thoughts he composed songs for famous music artists such as Beyonce and Megadeth.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />Dawkins
states that everything Marshall talks about is factual. </span>
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;">He was friends with Marshall for some years, but now believes that he
has become erratic and abusive. </span>
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Johnston
appears to agree.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />Johnston
was a founder of what the Daily Mirror newspaper called </span><a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/ammach-britains-weirdest-support-group-1940401">Britain's
Weirdest Support Group</a><span style="color: black;">, featured in a Channel 4 TV show called 'Confessions of
an Alien Abductee' which according to </span><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/jun/18/confessions-alien-abductee-channel-4">the
Guardian</a><span style="color: black;"> 'exploited
its unfortunate subjects'. </span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br />Johnston
has been criticised for signing up with the company that made the TV
show for Channel 4, Plum Pictures. </span>
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />
</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;">UFO
researcher, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf5GYC85yvk">Richard
D. Hall, is of the view</a><span style="color: black;">
that Miles Johnston 'promotes fantasists and people who are
delusional'.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />The
membership count of the Desteni group at present remains as it was in 2010: at
around 100 people, not all of whom are active participants.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:<br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</a></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="color: black; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html" target="_blank">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/11/technotutor-and-kevin-trudeaus-global.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor and Kevin Trudeau's Global Information Network Scam</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-36644922955990390112016-05-04T16:30:00.000-04:002017-01-11T20:01:33.927-05:00School of Ultimate Living: Redefining the Word, Desteni<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrYcf6z-yseUydoH-V3mCmD_cluIGoooTyeujCF4Aw-v0aGhRPsbmlKHnvrm-oyLhwpCkdHXcHbBaENzz9an5JXCJ-0ubRdyP8R05gpCDMAozekhAMZ6fGZFroM4IIkiiRZPaiezG5qx8/s1600/school.of.ultimate.living+%25282%2529.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="font-family: 'times new roman'; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrYcf6z-yseUydoH-V3mCmD_cluIGoooTyeujCF4Aw-v0aGhRPsbmlKHnvrm-oyLhwpCkdHXcHbBaENzz9an5JXCJ-0ubRdyP8R05gpCDMAozekhAMZ6fGZFroM4IIkiiRZPaiezG5qx8/s1600/school.of.ultimate.living+%25282%2529.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Redefining words with L. Ron Hubbard</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<br /></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Redefining
words is a strategy employed by almost all cults. One of the
most famous cults in the world, the Church of
Scientology, which was founded by L. Ron Hubbard, is notorious for <a href="http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2013/02/a-cult-by-any-other-name.html">redefining
words</a> and even has its own dictionaries.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black; font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The founder of Desteni, Bernard Poolman, was described in the Vice magazine article, <a href="http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541" target="_blank">Meet the Struggling South African Cult That Tried to Kill Demon Hitler</a>, as 'South Africa's own L. Ron Hubbard'. </span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Like Hubbard, one of Poolman's main ideas was all about redefining words. Redefining words </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is a central concept and practice in Desteni.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Peculiar words and phrases used by the group like, 'living words', 'Destonian', 'assistance and support', 'practivism', 'walking my process', 'self-honesty', 'accepted and allowed', 'self-forgiveness' or 'best for all life as equal as one' are all examples of loaded language.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The convoluted talks and writings of Desteni amount to an elaborate exercise in </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychobabble" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">psychobabble</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. Destonians.com shows the extent of the manipulation and loss of reason amongst members. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Dr. Robert J. Lifton described loaded language in </span><a href="http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studymindctr/study_mindctr_lifton.htm" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">Eight Criteria for Thought Reform</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">: 'The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.'</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />And as Q5 of The Cult Test, <a href="http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_cult_speak">Cult-Speak</a>, puts it:
'The cult invents new terminology or euphemisms for many things. The
cult may also redefine many common words to mean something quite
different.'</span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Another typical strategy of cults is to set up front groups which help to</span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> mask the cult's agenda and counter or avoid public criticism</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Before
launching Desteni in 2007, Bernard Poolman sold software called <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/10/technotutor-powereducation-building.html">PowerEducation</a>
which eventually became known as the present day 'vocabulary
development technology' named <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/11/technotutor-and-kevin-trudeaus-global.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<br /></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The
publicity for TechnoTutor, which is run by members of Desteni, almost never
mentions the word, Desteni.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Other
Desteni projects such as the fake political campaigns, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html">Living
Income Guaranteed</a> and Democracy Against War Now, and the
'non-profit' company called the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/04/desteni-equal-life-foundation-is-scam.html" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation</a>, </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">which sells affiliate marketing schemes for Desteni I Process courses
and eqafe.com products, yet poses as a human rights group, also never mention Desteni.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />These
projects essentially serve as front groups. </span></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cult front groups are ways of making money and gaining recruits and recognition by creating the false impression that they are legitimate businesses or altruistic endeavours which exist independently of the cult. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Scientology, for example, runs <a href="http://www.lermanet.com/frontgroups.html" target="_blank">numerous front groups</a>, and a</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">s clinical psychologist
and cult expert, Margaret Singer, wrote in </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cults-Our-Midst-Continuing-Against/dp/0787967416" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">Cults
in Our Midst</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">: 'Most cults have front groups, sometimes a variety
of them, set up specifically to appeal to a range of interests'.</span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"></span></div>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjIwnHuWfcbo8_y4Iuj51CsH7rIRdvHFZ_NSmB-TjrlLTp6bCuAwJsamPVP2m3V4fOcGgtFxrADqDgbRF8DJZlVLGlM2WS8EqmVRiaj4PidLjfpDV51h45VtRrZB_id8ib1Q3URMcNffIQ/s1600/school.of.ultimate.living.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjIwnHuWfcbo8_y4Iuj51CsH7rIRdvHFZ_NSmB-TjrlLTp6bCuAwJsamPVP2m3V4fOcGgtFxrADqDgbRF8DJZlVLGlM2WS8EqmVRiaj4PidLjfpDV51h45VtRrZB_id8ib1Q3URMcNffIQ/s1600/school.of.ultimate.living.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size: small;">'Living' words</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Desteni front-woman, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGp9D6sPJBM" target="_blank">Sunette Spies</a>, recently took some time off from pretending to speak on behalf of dead people and interdimensional reptilians to launch a new front group for the cult of Desteni
called the 'School of Ultimate Living'.</span></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />In
her video, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4TePr6AloE">Introducing
School Of Ultimate Living</a>, Spies states that she will provide
background history and information on research in relation to the
'school', then over 40+ minutes proceeds to give no specifics
whatsoever about her background, experience or research.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Her
only relevant experience is with Bernard Poolman and Desteni, but she
doesn't mention them.</span></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />The
rest of the 'team' behind the School of Ultimate Living are all
long-standing Desteni recruiters, but nowhere on the 'school''s
website is the word, Desteni, used. Bernard Poolman or the
Equal Life Foundation are also not mentioned in the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBohSdyFq2Dyr5CJikvhsA" target="_blank">videos</a> o</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">r
on the website.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />With
the strap-line, 'life creation through words', School of Ultimate
Living represents the standard Desteni practice of 'redefining words' or
'living words'.</span></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />As
noted at the</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";">
</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.icsahome.com/articles/cults-coercion-and-contumely-singer-and-addis-csj-9-2-1992" target="_blank">International Cultic Studies Association</a></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">,
there is 'the consistent practice by cults to redefine commonly used
words and to create new ones'.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Sunette
Spies and the team at the School of Ultimate Living may be reluctant
to really 'live' the word, 'Desteni', because of the group's
reputation as a cult and a scam. Perhaps they are afraid that <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/05/desteni-going-down-drain.html">Desteni
is going down the drain</a> and feel they must recreate or redefine
the group and its methods with yet another front group with a different name.</span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "times new roman";"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Or
maybe it is just that after a '7 Year Journey to Life' the
'Destonians' have now been 'birthed from the physical' and are ready
for a fresh start in giving 'assistance and support' to recruit
others into 'walking the process' towards 'redefining words' and
'creating a world that is best for all life'.</span></span></span></div>
<div align="LEFT" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; orphans: 1;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />Either
way, the methods they use in trying to redefine their aims with 'School of Ultimate Living' only show
that the 'best they can be' is the same as usual: a deceptive and manipulative cult.</span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-equal-life-foundation-sovereign.html" target="_blank">The Equal Life Foundation & the Sovereign Citizen Movement</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/vice-reports-on-struggling-south.html" target="_blank">Vice Reports on the Struggling South African Cult of Desteni</a></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</a></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" target="_blank"><span style="text-align: left;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Public Consequences - Desteni Doomed - 7</span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span></a><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank">Desteni Discussions</a></span></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-25996746428361563892016-02-16T04:24:00.000-05:002017-08-25T18:47:03.705-04:00Anarchapulco Sponsored by Cult of Desteni Anarcho-Capitalists?<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9cbbldfvzwdRrV4YEs7TkZnFxl09Cldxbjr9-EFd4CCY847PSycO7FQEUBFTCnEcfWfmX0ISg-LJORUyYaamCqA5ZdDlXNXIPxVP69vz9AdgFBep0f10bSzeDRW__JyOCWdAu0nAzYF8/s1600/anarcho-capitalist.flag.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj9cbbldfvzwdRrV4YEs7TkZnFxl09Cldxbjr9-EFd4CCY847PSycO7FQEUBFTCnEcfWfmX0ISg-LJORUyYaamCqA5ZdDlXNXIPxVP69vz9AdgFBep0f10bSzeDRW__JyOCWdAu0nAzYF8/s1600/anarcho-capitalist.flag.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Anarcho-capitalist flag</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="background-color: #cccccc; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">(</span><b style="background-color: #cccccc; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Update Aug 2017</b><span style="background-color: #cccccc; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">: </span><i style="background-color: #cccccc; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Ken Cousens and Andrea Teale are no longer associated with Desteni. The following article serves as a record of events.</i><span style="background-color: #cccccc; font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">)</span><br />
<a href="http://anarchapulco.com/" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Anarchapulco</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, 'the world's first and largest anarcho-capitalist conference', taking place in Acapulco, Mexico, Feb 19-21, 2016, is sponsored by Gemstone University, which is run by </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the Panterra Private Contract Association.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Panterra PCA's 'Overseer' is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ken Cousens and its 'Scribe' is Andrea Te</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">ale. Both have been </span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">members of Desteni for over eight years. They discuss their involvement in the group in the Dec 2014 video, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYKJPtraso" target="_blank">Senior Destonian Hangout - An Interview with Ken Cousens</a></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">have been called</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> socialists, communists and fascists, but never anarcho-capitalists. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni / Equal Life Foundation's (ELF) </span><a href="http://equalmoney.org/wiki" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Equal Money System</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> would end all profit-making and competition world-wide. It is said to be a global 'system of equality' managed by a government administration.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The group's <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed</a> (LIG) 'proposal' is for the control of prices and wage levels, 'nationalization', interlinked ID and banking cards, a 'Bureau of Standards' and a welfare system; all of which the Destonians recommend should be adopted by governments of existing nation states. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">When long-standing Destonian, Anna Brix Thomsen, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">expresses a general disagreement with anarcho-capitalists </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in her video, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4ZLe7CcMUA" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Progressive Perspectives on Individualism vs Collectivism</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">states </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">that she is in favour of government</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, and says, 'anarcho-capitalism is not the solution', </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">her point of view is entirely in keeping with the message of Desteni / ELF.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Nothing published by Desteni / the ELF has ever been in support of anything even resembling </span><a href="http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">anarcho-capitalism</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The ideas and language used by Gemstone University and Panterra PCA (such as 'status correction', 'Uniform Commercial Code', the US State as a 'corporation', persons as a fiction, the 'sea of commerce', references to ALL CAPS names etc) </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">have far less in common with anarcho-capitalism </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">than the theories and beliefs of the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement" target="_blank">sovereign citizen movement</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Back in 2011, Cousens was the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw" target="_blank">Chief Jury Foreman</a> of the sovereign citizen group, the <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/7/14/1109927/-The-Republic-for-the-united-States-of-America-i-e-the-Real-America-Not-an-Onion-Story" target="_blank">Republic for the united States of America</a>, and wanted to help set up a new government. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Using the name, Kenneth Scott, Cousens is interviewed by one of the confirmed speakers for Anarchapulco, Jeff Berwick, in </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIGKll2TbPs" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Anarchast Ep.275 Kenneth Scott: Hidden in Plain Sight, Seeing the Real Matrix</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, Feb 2016<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens explains his sovereign citizen beliefs and associates them with anarcho-capitalism, but without mentioning his association with Desteni, the ELF, the Equal Money System or the LIG.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-equal-life-foundation-sovereign.html" target="_blank">The Equal Life Foundation & the Sovereign Citizen Movement</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Deston</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">ian Sovereign Citizen</span></a></span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni Discussions</span></a></div>
<div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed: Nonsense Politics of the Destonians Equal Life Foundation</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-64592311631964973612015-11-04T22:40:00.001-05:002017-08-10T10:38:38.102-04:00TechnoTutor and Kevin Trudeau's Global Information Network Scam<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
Ivan Rauscher<br />
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgernab_AujI_Yw0-nPFShJ_UcZER9kzRCMF0C0v5QmOAbsqP6SVfyOOTSWRDCioKNQNMsabtIakW_X3ViPbwl2GbGJMwUydqK9Rt7TtdpbFflYa0b_Gku7pE73VTn7YBQa2SXj8u-pr9Y/s1600/trudeau.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgernab_AujI_Yw0-nPFShJ_UcZER9kzRCMF0C0v5QmOAbsqP6SVfyOOTSWRDCioKNQNMsabtIakW_X3ViPbwl2GbGJMwUydqK9Rt7TtdpbFflYa0b_Gku7pE73VTn7YBQa2SXj8u-pr9Y/s1600/trudeau.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: xx-small;">Scammer Kevin Trudeau of the Global Information Network</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b style="background-color: #cccccc; font-size: small;">(Update Aug2017</b><span style="background-color: #cccccc; font-size: x-small;">: </span><i style="background-color: #cccccc; font-size: small;">The directors of the US TechnoTutor company may have parted company with Desteni. This is not confirmed, but TechnoTutor UK has been <a href="https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08885980" style="color: #0037ff; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">dissolved</a> and the <a href="http://technotutor.co.za/" style="color: #0037ff; text-decoration-line: none;" target="_blank">South Africa website</a> has disappeared. The following article serves as a record of events.)</i></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Members of Desteni selling TechnoTutor have joined a Multi-Level Marketing scam, and are taking tips from con man criminal, Kevin Trudeau.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">promoting their 'educational software', Destonians have successfully secured slots </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">on TV in South Africa and the USA. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TechnoTutor <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/10/technotutor-powereducation-building.html" target="_blank">originates with Desteni</a> and is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">sold </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">almost exclusively by</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> long-serving members of the group, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">both as a product and a 'business opportunity'</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There is no evidence that the TechnoTutor 'Vocabulary Development Technology' is any more useful than the thousands of other 'vocabulary builders' on the market.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Yet Destonians claim that TechnoTutor 'improves self-esteem', 'allows people to be their very best', </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">teaches' children and adults 'how to learn' so that they can become whoever they want to be in life, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the future of education.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TechnoTutor was featured on </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TV recently </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in South Africa on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEEAhsCVMrU" target="_blank">ETV Money Line 02</a>, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in the USA on the Fox Business Network's <a href="http://beforeitsnews.com/business/2015/07/increasing-self-confidence-and-educational-potential-with-technotutor-on-award-winning-television-series-2727130.html" target="_blank">Corporate Review</a>.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wCvFqURKLew/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wCvFqURKLew?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">On <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCvFqURKLew" target="_blank">Moving America Forward with host William Shatner</a>, the presenter, Doug Llewelyn, asked Cameron Cope, one of the TechnoTutor LLC co-founders and a Destonian, what the story is behind the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">software</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">and where it came from.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The reply was that he found 'kind of a mad scientist, if you will, in South Africa, who was developing a technology'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman of South Africa </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">founded the crazy cult of Desteni in 2007 and previously ran a business selling overpriced 'educational software' named <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/10/technotutor-powereducation-building.html" target="_blank">PowerEducation by MindTechnology</a>, which was the precursor to TechnoTutor. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Without Poolman </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">and Desteni </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">there would be no TechnoTutor</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cope did not mention Desteni. He also failed to explain that a major part of the marketing of the TechnoTutor 'business opportunity' involves the </span><a href="http://scamxposer.com/scam-review/global-information-network" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Global Information Network</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> (GIN)</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">GIN is a Multi-Level Marketing scam started by notorious TV infomercial bullshitter, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau" target="_blank">Kevin Trudeau</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Several Destonians are </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CP4aug0Ln0" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">members of GIN</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and have been marketing TechnoTutor within the network since 2011-12. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Its few non-Destonian sales agents </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">have probably been recruited from GIN, if not also a related scam called the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/technotutor-neothink-tools-for-money.html" target="_blank">Neothink Society</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Like Desteni, <a href="http://gintruth.com/gnt/wpver/?cat=58" target="_blank">GIN</a> appeals to those who imagine there is a secret cabal called the Illuminati which controls world events and represents a future global government, 'the New World Order'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">GIN suggests that its inner circle knows the 'secrets' of how the Illuminati or 'The Brotherhood' of ruling elites got so wealthy and powerful, and these 'secrets' can be yours and you too can become as rich and powerful if you pay increasingly large amounts of cash to participate in GIN's financial schemes. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni puts forward the notion that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_koKYkUG1Q" target="_blank">The New World Order is Here</a> in the shape of Desteni, and if you buy into the 'self-mastery' courses and recruitment and sales schemes of the Equal Life Foundation company, the Desteni group will be able to replace the Illuminati and establish 'life in equality' that is 'best for all', etc.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="https://companycheck.co.uk/company/08885980/TECHNOTUTOR-UK-LTD/directors-secretaries" target="_blank">TechnoTutor UK director</a> and Destonian, Marley Dawkins, stated recently in <a href="http://equalityonenessonearth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/day-145-who-are-illuminati.html" target="_blank">Day 145: Who are the illuminati?</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">that you should 'not fear the illuminati', but 'become the illuminati, then change the illuminati to live what is best for all', and that 'the only way everlasting sustainable change will happen, is if we become the elite, so we must do everything in our power to legally make as much money as possible'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /><a href="http://gintruth.com/gnt/wpver/?cat=58" target="_blank">GIN</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is just one in a long line of legal and illegal money-making scams perpetrated </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">by Kevin Trudeau, who has previously </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">sold bogus get-rich-quick schemes, spurious weight loss programmes and fake cures for cancer, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">been </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">fined for deceptive trade practices, convicted </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">of larceny and credit card fraud, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">conned many people out of millions of dollars</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Trudeau </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is currently languishing in a <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-kevin-trudeau-sentenced-20140317-story.html" target="_blank">minimum-security prison</a> in Alabama after receiving a ten-year sentence for criminal contempt</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g86fLQj14UQ/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/g86fLQj14UQ?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/investigations/infamous-infomercial-king-kevin-trudeaus-secret-global-club-off-the-market-sold-to-highest-bidders" target="_blank">41 Action News TV</a> reported that after </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">GIN failed to pay out an estimated 9.5 million dollars in promised commissions and bonuses it went from 38,000 to 4,000 members.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In 2014, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">GIN was <a href="http://gintruth.com/gnt/wpver/?p=2394" target="_blank">sold off</a> to a coterie of Trudeau's hardcore fans, the AXS Investment Group. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The re-formed GIN is fronted by Troy McClain, a former contestant on <a href="http://themcclaincompanies.com/about/success/" target="_blank">The Apprentice TV show</a> which was hosted by </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the well-known Republican presidential candidate, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Donald Trump</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The GIN Family Reunion of October 2015</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> featured </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">as a keynote speaker </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the despicable scam artist and convicted killer, </span><a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5038930/the-death-dealer-james-arthur-sweat-lodge-deaths-in-sedona" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">James Arthur Ray</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. He is </span><a href="https://photos.globalinformationnetwork.com/ginreportseptember2015" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">praised by GIN</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> as a 'successful entrepreneur'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">GIN is </span><a href="http://uk.businessinsider.com/kevin-trudeau-interview-2014-12" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">reportedly</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> still under investigation by the FBI</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In 2014, Cope and his fellow </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonian TechnoTutor LLC co-founder, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Avery Williams,</span> were on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCbVAgZUEE" target="_blank">Donald Trump's son's TV show</a> with a non-Destonian TechnoTutor sales agent,</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> <a href="http://www.nationalintegrativehealth.com/advisory-board/lamer/" target="_blank">Dr Steven Lamer</a>, who is a chiropractor with experience in the 'methods of Edgar Cayce' and the pseudoscience of Applied Kinesiology, which also happens to be part of the Desteni I Process</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A businesswoman marketing an unrelated product who was invited on Donald Trump Jr's TV show </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in 2013 </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'sniffed out the scam' after she was asked to pay </span><a href="http://www.michellelabrosseblogs.com/2013/09/make-my-brain-better-gist-reasoning-and-sniffing-out-a-scam/" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">$19,000 for the privilege</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In one of Cope's YouTube videos, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrIcDbZH3yA" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Entrepreneur and sales expert on how to accelerate your journey to success</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Avery Williams claimed that GIN and TechnoTutor can 'change your DNA'.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In another, Cope and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonian TechnoTutor LLC co-founder, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Katie Conklin, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">discussed </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CP4aug0Ln0" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">the 'power' of the GIN</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In Oct 2015, Cope recommended to Destonians that </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">they all join GIN, not only to market TechnoTutor, but </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">to </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RrU2lDYNSw" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Overcome Resistance in Selling</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> Desteni courses and products.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cope is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">a</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">pparently </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">of the view that parents should remove their kids from school and invest in TechnoTutor instead.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">was interviewed at the Living Income Guaranteed (LIG) YouTube </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">channel by Destonian, Marlen Vargas Del Razo, in </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbR2lvxEZgas" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">[93] Would a Living Income bring a Revolution in Education?</a>. <span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">She described him as an 'expert' on education, and he said: </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'Practically, for a parent, I would not have your kids in a public school, for sure, knowing what it does, I can't self-honestly feel good about saying keep your kids in school, even the private schools'. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It is more than likely that TechnoTutor LLC in its dealings with GIN aims to 'make as much money as possible' in order to help guarantee a living income for the Destonians' 'non-profit' company, the Equal Life Foundation. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/technotutor-powereducation-building.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor & PowereDucation: Building a Brick Wall</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/technotutor-neothink-tools-for-money.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor & Neothink® Tools for Money, Power & Romantic Love</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/vice-reports-on-struggling-south.html" target="_blank">Vice Reports on the Struggling South African Cult of Desteni</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor: A Front for Desteni?</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a></span></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-1743590943509497882015-10-31T07:58:00.001-04:002017-08-15T04:17:21.699-04:00TechnoTutor and Neothink® Tools for Money, Power and Romantic Love<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">[Update Aug 2017: The Desteni group appears to have cut ties with the US-based TechnoTutor company, therefore it is likely to have also cut any ties with Neothink. The following article serves as a record of events.]</span><br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
</div>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Members of the Desteni / Equal Life Foundation channelling sect are venturing beyond the confines of the Desteni Universe. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">They are making significant affiliations with individuals whose background is with the </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-equal-life-foundation-sovereign.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Sovereign Citizen Movemen</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-equal-life-foundation-sovereign.html" target="_blank">t</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">And as </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the Destonians branch out further they are associating with other ideologies and organisations, specifically to do with the Destonian-run business, TechnoTutor LLC.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonian and TechnoTutor LLC co-founder, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cameron Cope, said recently </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">i</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">n a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M42NfHqbQ2U" target="_blank">YouTube video</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">that 'the tools or the realization that they are a creator' are being given to people through TechnoTutor, Desteni, GIN </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i>Neothink.</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The </span><a href="http://www.abc15.com/news/national/kevin-trudeau-global-information-network-investigation-into-secret-club-promoted-by-tv-pitchman" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Global Information Network</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> (GIN) is a Mu</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">lti-Level Marketing scam started by fraudster and convicted felon, Kevin Trudeau. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Several Destonians already market the TechnoTutor 'business opportunity' through GIN, and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RrU2lDYNSw" target="_blank">Cope has recommended</a> that they all join the scam to help sell the Desteni I Process. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">But what is Neothink?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Neothink </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">purports to be inspired by Ayn Rand's Objectivism (although Objectivists might <a href="http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Setzer/From_Objectivism_to_Neo-Tech_and_Back.shtml" target="_blank">object</a>) and is <a href="http://twelvevisionsparty.com/" target="_blank">said to be</a> 'The Most Effective Self-Improvement Program For Individuals In the History of Mankind'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Disshevelled playboy, Mr. Mark Hamilton, is mentioned throughout material published by the organisation as the 'genius' behind Neothink and a paragon of 'civilization'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Here is a video of Hamilton from 2010 outlining what the Neothink Society is 'really':</span><br />
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KPcPsTpe8F8/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/KPcPsTpe8F8?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Neothink Society </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">offers 'tools' for 'perfect health', 'millionaire wealth', 'superior intelligence', the 'hottest romantic love techniques since the golden age of Greece' and biological immortality. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">promise</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">s all this through its </span><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/18/business/la-fi-lazarus-20131119" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">secret societ</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/18/business/la-fi-lazarus-20131119" target="_blank">y</a> of </span><a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/miss-annabelles-money-pit-neothink-the-league-and-the-twelve-visions-031814.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">secret wisd</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/miss-annabelles-money-pit-neothink-the-league-and-the-twelve-visions-031814.html" target="_blank">om</a>, the membe</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">rs of which it claims are 'the rich, the famous, the powerful', and include the 'crème de la crème of society, famous sports and movie stars, musicians, billionaires, businessmen, intellectuals and scientists'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Neothink has appeared under other names, such as Nouveau Tech, Novatech or usually, <a href="http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/neotech-secret-society-c132275.html" target="_blank">Neo-Tech®</a>, and since the 1980s has </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">used junk mail to <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/news/columnists/steve-blow/20130323-heres-a-secret-to-wealth-some-people-are-gullible.ece" target="_blank">persuade desperate or gullible people</a> to buy books at inflated prices. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In May 2000, Neo-Tech was the subject of an <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/guardian_jobs_and_money/story/0,3605,1385255,00.html" target="_blank">Advertising Standards Authority</a> ruling in the UK, as it was unable to provide proof of its ludicrous claims. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Here's another of Hamilton's <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/neothinksociety" target="_blank">videos</a> on the Neothink Clubhouse experience:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z0aKSabydCI/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Z0aKSabydCI?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Neo-Tech was started by Hamilton's father, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_R._Wallace" target="_blank">Frank R. Wallace</a> who died in 2006. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">According to <a href="http://attitudeadjustment.tripod.com/Essays/NT-Attention.htm" target="_blank">one source</a>, when Wallace was in prison for federal tax crimes in the 1990s he met TV infomercial scammer, <a href="http://uk.businessinsider.com/kevin-trudeau-interview-2014-12" target="_blank">Kevin Trudeau</a>, who was in for credit card fraud.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Neothink is, like </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Trudeau's </span><a href="http://www.abc15.com/news/national/kevin-trudeau-global-information-network-investigation-into-secret-club-promoted-by-tv-pitchman" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">GIN</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, another cheesy Multi-Level Marketing scheme. GIN is to a large extent modelled on Neothink, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Hamilton has apparently made more money out of GIN than anyone else. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">See: </span><a href="http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/kevin-trudeau-mark-hamilton-gin-with.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Kevin Trudeau + Mark Hamilton = GIN with a twist of Neo-stink</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and related posts at </span><a href="http://cosmicconnie.blogspot.com/" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Whirled Musings</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">As Destonians already market TechnoTutor via GIN, and there are shared interests between GIN and Neothink, it follows that TechnoTutor should also be marketed </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">via the Neothink Society. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonian and TechnoTutor LLC co-founder, Avery Williams, has supported both GIN and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpqCgTGVQoo" target="_blank">Neothink</a> for </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">years. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">At a Neothink site, a</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">nother Destonian suggested that if you <a href="http://markhamiltonmeetinglevel3.com/reaching-the-child-within" target="_blank">buy TechnoTutor</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">for your child it will develop their vocabulary and therefore enable them to earn lots of money for your family, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">that TechnoTutor is in line with the 'C of the U', which means 'Civilization of the Universe' or Neothink.</span><br />
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QlXqH81sCLw/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QlXqH81sCLw?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Like the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni Equal Life Foundation's</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> fake political 'proposal', the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/11/equal-life-foundation-trojan-horse.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed</a>, which is a front for the sale of Desteni products and courses, Neothinkers have their own political gimmick: the 'libertarian' <a href="http://tvpnc.org/the-visions/" target="_blank">Twelve Visions Party</a>, which is a front for Neothink. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Its slogan is, 'Make All the People Rich <i>Including the Poor!</i>'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">And <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJQ1HiPrt5M" target="_blank">like Desteni</a>, Neothinkers sing horrible <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlXqH81sCLw" target="_blank">rap songs</a> about how they will solve the world's problems and bring happiness, peace and prosperity to all.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/technotutor-powereducation-building.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor & PowereDucation: Building a Brick Wall</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor: A Front for Desteni?</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-equal-life-foundation-sovereign.html" target="_blank">The Equal Life Foundation & the Sovereign Citizen Movement</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/09/vice-reports-on-struggling-south.html" target="_blank">Vice Reports on the Struggling South African Cult of Desteni</a></span></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-29521706963141152572015-10-20T19:55:00.001-04:002017-08-14T04:08:45.441-04:00TechnoTutor and PowereDucation: Building a Brick Wall<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0NT9mloXhcqA6yAiSK39onnA6YoCS2CmfaJnutEuci7iijpdBOlqVDnIbGCJTK-BNOJ2a0zgBV_5LklDJXWHAe5tucGP1jJc7GxUucDofw3Mn_z1NjM5FF-4QDSAbfderZ9w-0VxaTZ0/s1600/technotutor.powered.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0NT9mloXhcqA6yAiSK39onnA6YoCS2CmfaJnutEuci7iijpdBOlqVDnIbGCJTK-BNOJ2a0zgBV_5LklDJXWHAe5tucGP1jJc7GxUucDofw3Mn_z1NjM5FF-4QDSAbfderZ9w-0VxaTZ0/s1600/technotutor.powered.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: xx-small;">PowerEducation Powered by MindTechnology</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: xx-small;">™</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; text-align: left;"> </span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[Note Aug 2017: Desteni is no longer affiliated with the US-based TechnoTutor company. The following article serves as a record of events.]</span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TechnoTutor 'Vocabulary Development Technology' business is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">owned, managed and marketed </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">almost exclusively</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">by </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">members of Desteni. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Yet Desteni </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">claims that it </span><a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?t=5135" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">'does not own any part of TechnoTutor'</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">While Desteni has officially endorsed TechnoTutor </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">none of the TechnoTutor websites or salespersons ever mention that the origins and development </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">of the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'educational </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">software' company are inextricably linked to Desteni, and in turn t</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">he 'non-profit' behind it, the Equal Life Foundation.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Back in 2007, the group's founder, Bernard Poolman, introduced his ideas about <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/Living_Word" target="_blank">'Living Words'</a> or 'redefining words' for 'self-forgiveness' with the help of <a href="http://www.desteni.org/a/bernard-poolman-i-the-living-word" target="_blank">'educational software'</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Poolman's ideas about vocabulary and 'living words' were later expanded upon in a series of blog posts entitled, <a href="http://earthsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/05/day-13-redefining-words-part-10-self.html" target="_blank">Redefining Words</a>, by his co-founder in Desteni, Esteni De Wet. Such ideas are integral to the Desteni I Process and references to '</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">vocabulary' and 'living words'</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> can be found throughout material produced by Destonians. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">P</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">rior to the launch of Desteni in 2007, De Wet ran an 'educational software' business with Poolman named <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071015214959/http://powereducation.co.za/about.htm" target="_blank">PowerEducation</a> by MindTechnology</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><a href="http://ings.ds9.org.za/blog/index.php?/archives/143-Power-Education-by-MindTechnology.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">review in 2004</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> by a student whose masters project was 'to find means for deploying networks and computers in schools in South Africa' stated that the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">PowerEducation</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">website was full of '</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">lots of rubbish about how their packages will improve your life... in fact they reckon that people who are illiterate usually land up killing themselves due to depression and they are making products that will prevent this</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It stated that the </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">PowerEducation</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> sales pitch contained 'so much emotive speech and "propaganda" that you want to vomit', and that the software </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">was way overpriced.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">This year's VICE magazine article, </span><a href="http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Meet the Struggling South African Cult That Tried to Kill Demon Hitler</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">quoted an ex-PowerEducation employee who said the software was sold to parents who were 'manipulated' into believing it </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">was worth R12,000 [$1,030] </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">when it was only worth R400 [$35]. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Poolman's 2005 </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">PowerEducation</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071015214959/http://powereducation.co.za/about.htm" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">website</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">stated: 'building effective information processing skills is like building a brick wall'.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Circa 2007-09, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Poolman made his 'educational software' available </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">through desteni.co.za</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">under the name, 'Desteni Vocabulary Builder' or 'Purifier'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">As listed under 'Other Cults' on a </span><a href="http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Other_cults" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Scientology wiki</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and numerous other sites, the original desteni.co.za website was registered to </span><a href="http://w3bin.com/domain/desteni.co.za" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Esteni</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> at powereducation.co.za.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">B</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">y 2010, the 'Desteni Vocabulary Builder' was no longer provided via desteni.co.za, but a member of the group, Cameron Cope of Texas, began </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">selling 'educational software' through another company called </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="https://twitter.com/DesteniEducate" target="_blank">Desteni Education</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cope posted several times at the </span><a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=12" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Cult Education Forum</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> in an attempt to deflect criticism that suggested he was using the sale of the software to recruit children and parents into the cult of Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,84038#msg-84038" target="_blank">one of his posts</a>, he stated that he originally wanted to call the company, 'Techno Tutor', but the name at the time was unavailable.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The sales pitch for Desteni Education was worded in almost <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=14" target="_blank">exactly the same way</a> as Poolman's <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071015214959/http://powereducation.co.za/about.htm" target="_blank">PowerEducation</a> and was </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">about 'building a brick wall'</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
</div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br />In 2010, Ferdi Poolman of South Africa <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,87633#msg-87633" target="_blank">alleged</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">that his brother, Bernard, had stolen the 'reading and language' programme from <i>his</i> educational software company, Readers are Leaders. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After that, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cope began using different company names, including PerfectMind Tutoring, AConduitMarketing and Techno Tutor. In 2013, the same year Bernard Poolman died, <a href="http://www.corporationwiki.com/Texas/Houston/techno-tutor-llc/134742106.aspx" target="_blank">TechnoTutor LLC</a> was formed by Cope and other Destonians.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Esteni De Wet is currently a </span><a href="http://www.cbetta.com/director/esteni-de-wet" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">UK director of</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> TechnoTutor</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">VICE magazine also </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">reported that De Wet's parents were involved in the early days of Desteni, which were said to have been fuelled by the drug, Ecstasy. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071015092841/http://powereducation.co.za/Club25.htm" target="_blank">Frans De Wet</a> was listed as a member of PowerEducation's Club 25 in 2005, and </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Francois De Wet is currently a <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/francois-de-wet/6a/bab/881" target="_blank">TechnoTutor South Africa director</a></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman's daughter <a href="http://technotutor.co.za.w3snoop.com/" target="_blank">owns technotutor.co.za</a> as well as desteni.org. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In a recent <a href="http://thesop.org/story/20140609/james-amazin-murray-interviews-the-founder-of-techno-tutor.html" target="_blank">interview</a> with the Student Operated Press</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, Cope delivered a sales pitch for TechnoTutor in which he repeated Poolman's hokey metaphor about 'building a brick wall'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXYYPfHb9ZK8dIKLYZ9in-qb81h7DpGyiyNe9vrKZEVOZR3wZhTYYPlAk-6BuU0w3FSX4ZGzVr-IWMvfLXHezN5MfX1tVlSKDkpg9MM7LvEo_0cC-4QYlllREe0SO0DMSSJDQ6e_r_XYs/s1600/powereducation.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjXYYPfHb9ZK8dIKLYZ9in-qb81h7DpGyiyNe9vrKZEVOZR3wZhTYYPlAk-6BuU0w3FSX4ZGzVr-IWMvfLXHezN5MfX1tVlSKDkpg9MM7LvEo_0cC-4QYlllREe0SO0DMSSJDQ6e_r_XYs/s1600/powereducation.jpeg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: xx-small;">PowereDucation Powered by MindTechnology™</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /><a href="http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541" target="_blank">VICE magazine</a> reported this year that Cope was initially open to an interview, but </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">after he was asked about the connection between </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">PowerEducation and TechnoTutor, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">gave no reply</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The TechnoTutor websites do not stat</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">e its price or the cost of distribution rights.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There is </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">no record of tests or reviews of </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TechnoTutor</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> by any independent experts, and there </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">has been no peer-reviewed study of it published in any educational technology journal.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">An ex-customer of the product described</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> it as 'way overpriced overhyped and subpar', <a href="http://www.techno-tutor.ca/" target="_blank">set up a webpage</a> to warn people, posted at the Cult Education Forum, and said he was <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">offered a refund</a> if he removed his posts, but he didn't. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A Destonian recently </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">asked for donations </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">to help 'solve the education crisis' and wrote about joining the TechnoTutor team at </span><a href="https://www.gofundme.com/ending-educational-crisis" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">GoFundMe</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">: </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'To be a part of this team and fulfill my vision, I am asked for a significant investment of $60,000'. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Yet she failed to provide a budget and raised only $620.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In 2012 TechnoTutor was <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html" target="_blank">reportedly sold</a> at €2,490 [$3,123]. At the <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=133" target="_blank">Cult Education Forum</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in 2014 </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">it was said that distribution rights were being sold at </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">$</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">24,000. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There are testimonials for TechnoTutor from people who are almost all known <a href="http://technotutorreviews.com/" target="_blank">members of Desteni</a>, and one from Dr. Roland Estrabillo, a dentist who said he <a href="https://vimeo.com/62222392" target="_blank">used TechnoTutor</a> to pass a certification exam. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He was </span><a href="http://www.rcdso.org/publicprotection/disciplinesummaries" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">found guilty</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> in 2011 by The Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario of 'disgraceful, dishonourable, and unethical conduct including charging excessive fees and providing unnecessary dental services'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Estrabillo, along with Cope and several other Destonian TechnoTutor salespersons,</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> is <a href="http://www.meetup.com/Your-WISH-is-YOUR-Command-KW/messages/boards/thread/20262152" target="_blank">a member</a> of the <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/2014/08/21/deceitful-infomercial-king-kevin-trudeau-and-his-pyramid-scheme-investigators.html" target="_blank">Global Information Network</a>, a Multi-Level Marketing scam started by fraudster and convicted criminal, Kevin Trudeau. </span><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor: A Front for Desteni?</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/09/vice-reports-on-struggling-south.html" target="_blank">Vice Reports on the Struggling South African Cult of Desteni</a></span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</span></a></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-53720834256667371412015-10-15T08:24:00.000-04:002017-06-22T06:30:15.170-04:00The Equal Life Foundation & the Sovereign Citizen Movement <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;">Ivan Rauscher</span></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></h4>
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;">(</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;">Update June 2017</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;">: <i>Ken Cousens is no longer associated with Desteni. The following article serves as a record of events.</i>)</span></h4>
<div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div>
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Not Saying Desteni</b></span></h4>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi94IAlWWdAfyLH3dSSnPAgQBQdAu0SfGBENdYb02qhCvnTgqYv3HxgxDDYAUVK-YCTTLyDdDitGQn6Pf9npwHX_xzeTjsqSiOWkbqshRi48GkXnTXWP9qbkw1FxYz8tJlI_m0Jrrsfpm4/s1600/sovereign.citizen.movement.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi94IAlWWdAfyLH3dSSnPAgQBQdAu0SfGBENdYb02qhCvnTgqYv3HxgxDDYAUVK-YCTTLyDdDitGQn6Pf9npwHX_xzeTjsqSiOWkbqshRi48GkXnTXWP9qbkw1FxYz8tJlI_m0Jrrsfpm4/s1600/sovereign.citizen.movement.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">FBI slide on the Sovereign Citizen Movement</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Equal Life Foundation (ELF) is the company that promotes and sells the products, course materials, marketing and recruitment schemes of the group known as Desteni. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">However, in a recent video at the Living Income Guaranteed (LIG) YouTube channel, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE0pAsJ-i4" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation: Our Moral Imperatives</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, Cerise Poolman, who owns desteni.org, talked at length about 'the group' without ever saying the word, 'Desteni'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The LIG is also a creation of Desteni, and no other group or individual actively supports or promotes it. Yet in her interviews at the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/LivingIncome" target="_blank">LIG YouTube channel</a> with non-Destonian activists and supporters of the <a href="http://binews.org/" target="_blank">Basic Income Guarantee</a> (which, unlike the LIG, is a genuine political and economic proposal), committed Destonian, Marlen Vargas Del Razo, has also never said the word, 'Desteni'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Even the 'Self & Living' <a href="https://selfandliving.com/" target="_blank">online store</a> which sells videos by Sunette Spies (AKA the Desteni 'interdimensional portal') contains no reference to Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A key article of the ELF is called a <a href="https://equallifefoundation.wordpress.com/bill-of-rights/" target="_blank">Bill of Rights</a>, although it is not a 'bill', as it is not being proposed to a legislature. It is merely a web document, and is essentially a bastardisation of the <a href="http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html" target="_blank">Universal Declaration of Human Rights</a> which is being used to advance the private business interests of the Desteni group's so-called 'non-profit' company, the ELF. Again, it does not mention Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Ken Cousens</a> <span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is not only the author of the ELF's 'Bill of Rights' but was also granted permission to invite Desteni members to join Gemstone University and Panterra Private Contract Association, organisations he runs independently of Desteni / the ELF.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">This of no small significance: Cousens' ideas and beliefs and the aims of </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Gemstone University and Panterra PCA </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">must therefore be regarded as being in general agreement with the aims of Desteni / the ELF. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens' background, ideas and beliefs are rooted in the Sovereign Citizen Movement.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: large;"><b>Sovereign Law</b></span></span></h4>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hJf90wKlaUw/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hJf90wKlaUw?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens was until recently an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw" target="_blank">official spokesman</a> for the Sovereign Citizen group, the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA), the former 'president' of which is currently serving an <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sovereign-citizen-president-sentenced-to-18-years-in-federal-prison" target="_blank">18 year prison sentence</a> for fraud.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens' wife, Destonian, Andrea Teale, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">interviewed her husband in the video, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYKJPtraso" target="_blank">Senior Destonian Hangout - An Interview with Ken Cousens</a> and stated he has been in Desteni for seven years, is 'a law person, a law researcher' and his Gemstone University 'teaches people about law'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Teale uses the term, 'Living Woman on the Land' to <a href="https://www.quora.com/Andrea-Teale" target="_blank">describe herself</a>, which is a variation of the term, <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land" target="_blank">Freeman on the Land</a>, derived from the Sovereign Citizen Movement. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Many leaders o</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">f the Sovereign Citizen Movement a</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">re scam artists and swindlers who pose as legal experts and encourage people to take part in illegal pyramid schemes and tax fraud. They offer bogus legal advice on foreclosures and debt elimination. They claim that they can teach people how to become free of all legal and governmental constraints. (</span><a href="http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/combating-hate/Lawless-Ones-2012-Edition-WEB-final.pdf" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">The Lawless Ones</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, Anti-Defamation League, 2012)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The description for Destonian, Anna Brix Thomsen's Google Hangout video of July 2014, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpPoGqvT2x4" target="_blank">From Mind-Controlled to Self-Governed and Sovereign Citizens</a> </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">reads: </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i>'If Governments are essentially controlling our minds, how can we start steering our own minds to become self-governed and sovereign citizens? </i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i>'The Word Government comes from the Latin and Greek roots 'Gubernare' = control/steer + 'Mend' = mind. This essentially means that government is mind control. But what if we redefined the word government through each of us taking responsibility for 'steering' our own minds? Would it then be possible to create a system with a governing body based on Equality and Sovereignty of each individual?' </i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Her question can be summarised: 'If government equals mind control then how can we control our minds enough to become the government?'</span><br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ULL0TX_Kazo/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ULL0TX_Kazo?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Like the Destonians, Sovereign Citizens have some odd ideas about language, government and the law.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'Sovereign citizen', <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller" target="_blank">David Wynn Miller</a>, for example, is a so-called 'Plenipotentiary-Judge' and the 'King of Hawaii', who bamboozles people with gibberish and outlandish theories in expensive workshops which are often geared towards helping with foreclosures, but can do nothing of the sort.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In the USA in 2014, a <a href="http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/sovereign-citizens-movement-may-be-biggest-domestic-terrorist-threat/19567-sovereign-citizens-movement-may-be-biggest-domestic-terrorist-threat" target="_blank">survey</a> of law enforcement officials conducted by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, placed the Sovereign Citizen Movement in the top slot as the biggest domestic terrorist threat in the country. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Sovereign Citizens have been involved in numerous violent and murderous acts.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">David Wynn Miller <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-does-jared-lee-loughner-believe/" target="_blank">publicly acknowledged</a> in the New York Times that deranged killer, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner" target="_blank">Jared Lee Loughner</a>, who was found guilty of 19 charges of murder and attempted murder in Tuscon in 2011, had been influenced by reading Miller's website.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<h4 style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Living Words</b></span></h4>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoZE_y95_fWpJ_eHreHrhyuR_vSEBznd_PRVffNR1qBbrVT_lgHjB1zoMJEB99472Nb9ag3OwrXatpiJiTPYLVsPSMHkfLuhKR6skpe0vP-SFHc5-6tcWUpyHUSdoSkgpDJbsMLw3I4Zs/s1600/jared.lee.loughner.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhoZE_y95_fWpJ_eHreHrhyuR_vSEBznd_PRVffNR1qBbrVT_lgHjB1zoMJEB99472Nb9ag3OwrXatpiJiTPYLVsPSMHkfLuhKR6skpe0vP-SFHc5-6tcWUpyHUSdoSkgpDJbsMLw3I4Zs/s1600/jared.lee.loughner.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Jared Lee Loughner quotes [from izquotes.com]</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Loughner's </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">strange</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/01/sovereign-citizens-jared-lee-loughner" target="_blank">use of language</a> clearly showed that he was a keen adherent of the Sovereign Citizen Movement. The murderer was</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> also <a href="http://spectator.org/articles/38264/jared-loughners-zeitgeist-obsession" target="_blank">a fan of the Zeitgeist Movement</a> (TZM)</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni members have had a lot to say about TZM, usually to try to show that its 'Resource Based Economy' is inferior to the 'Equal Money System' of Desteni. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In 2011, the group's founder, Bernard Poolman, encouraged </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfGs7fi0dMQ" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">disaffected members of TZM to join Desteni</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">I</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">t is a specialty</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> of Sovereign Citizens to concoct nonsensical legal documents. A</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">nother article by Ken Cousens </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is an absurd defense of Desteni written in the form of a faux legal document, a so-called 'affadavit of truth', </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">entitled, </span><a href="https://atruthseekersjourneyintolife.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/day-441-standing-in-witness-to-desteni-by-ken-cousens/" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Standing in Witness to Desteni</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens' 'Walking the World System' video series for Desteni </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is over nine hours long. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The videos referred to in the Nov 2014 post, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank">The Destonian Sovereign Citizen</a>, have since been removed from public view on YouTube, but copies have been made of them.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In one video he recommended to Destonians another video, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgX8l9AgzE" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">The Golden Web</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, which posits a method of interpreting the 'hidden' meanings of words to advance very grand conspiracy theories. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="YOUTUBE-iframe-video" data-thumbnail-src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5PgX8l9AgzE/0.jpg" frameborder="0" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5PgX8l9AgzE?feature=player_embedded" width="320"></iframe></div>
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It is a method similar to the practice in Desteni of interpreting words according to how they might sound like other words, as shown in the <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=147" target="_blank">Living Words section</a> of the group's public forum. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It is related to Bernard Poolman's 2007 articles such as <a href="http://www.desteni.org/a/bernard-poolman-i-the-living-word" target="_blank">Bernard Poolman – I, the Living Word</a> and <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/Living_Word" target="_blank">The Living Word</a> in which he recommended 'redefining words' with the help </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">of software which he claimed he had 'tested' and found could 'assist with the process' of 'self-forgiveness'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">That same software, discussed in the recent VICE magazine article, <a href="http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541" target="_blank">Meet the Struggling South African Cult That Tried to Kill Demon Hitler</a>, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">is now known as </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and is sold to the public almost exclusively by members of Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The websites for </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Gemstone University and Panterra PCA, </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">run by 'The Living Man, kenneth scott, of the House of Cousens', </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">are full of language and ideas of the Sovereign Citizen Movement, but </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">they do not mention Desteni</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Poolman, on the other hand, always referred to Desteni, but p</span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">erhaps the present day representatives of the group have in certain circumstances been avoiding using the word to try to offset the inevitable </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">consequences</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> of the fact that Desteni has gained a solid reputation for itself as a totally <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank">ridiculous cult</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Maybe they are changing direction and planning on ditching the name altogether. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Yet if the 'living words' used to represent the group and its interests are instead the Equal Life Foundation, the Living Income Guaranteed, Equal Money System, TechnoTutor and/or anything else, it makes little difference. </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In forging alliances with individuals from the crackpot Sovereign Citizen Movement the people who call themselves 'Destonians' are risking far more than their reputations. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank">The Destonian Sovereign Citizen</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/04/desteni-equal-life-foundation-is-scam.html" target="_blank">The Equal Life Foundation is a Scam</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2015/01/living-income-guaranteed-is-not-basic.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed is Not the Basic Income Guarantee</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" target="_blank">Public Consequences - Desteni Doomed - 7</a></span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni Discussions</span></a></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-46966614761772845782015-09-04T20:01:00.000-04:002017-01-11T20:08:24.823-05:00Vice Reports on the Struggling South African Cult of Desteni<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEijQx7nBzjuQTDYaN0Z5IL9a9iNzfRT1D0YMyzLNA4443mAxpVffYkvAc0VD1g5CcKIXC50AYQzM2-AQCa5Me8cQXvO6pPpZx1ZLktON46h7x65ynqo_yTN3V5xu5AfqjWm5Y9ZCBqZPBY/s1600/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541-body-image-1436882533.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEijQx7nBzjuQTDYaN0Z5IL9a9iNzfRT1D0YMyzLNA4443mAxpVffYkvAc0VD1g5CcKIXC50AYQzM2-AQCa5Me8cQXvO6pPpZx1ZLktON46h7x65ynqo_yTN3V5xu5AfqjWm5Y9ZCBqZPBY/s1600/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541-body-image-1436882533.jpg" /></a></div>
<br /></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Illustration by Matt Panuska -- Clockwise from left: Rick Ross (no relation), cult deprogrammer; Zena Swanepoel, Poolman's former assistant; Anu, alien overlord and creator of Mankind; Jesus Christ; Hitler, king of the demon dimension; Esteni de Wet, Poolman's girlfriend; Sunette Spies, the interdimensional portal; Cameron Cope, Texan Desteni member and head of TechnoTutor; Andrea Rossouw, early Desteni follower; and Bernard Poolman, Desteni's mastermind.</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Back in October 2013, a journalist from <a href="http://www.vice.com/" target="_blank">Vice</a> magazine, River Donaghey, made a request to visit the Desteni farm but was turned down. (See <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/05/desteni-going-down-drain.html" target="_blank">Desteni 'Going Down the Drain'</a>). He later wrote an extensive article about the group anyway and it was published by Vice on August 4th this year.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It includes a revealing interview with the ex-personal assistant of Desteni founder, Bernard Poolman, as well as some marvellous illustrations.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The article highlights the fact that the Desteni group (AKA the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/basic-income-equal-life-foundation.html" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation</a>) runs on blind belief in the ridiculous fantasies of Poolman and Sunette Spies' 'batshit-insane demon-channeling'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It re-confirms that the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">TechnoTutor</a> software currently sold by Destonians out of Texas and elsewhere is most likely an updated version of Poolman's earlier 'educational software', <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071015214959/http://powereducation.co.za/about.htm" target="_blank">PowerEducation</a>, which involved a scam to 'manipulate parents' into buying something that was 'worth 400 rand [$35] for 12,000 [$1,030].'</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The article is also notable for pointing out the highly influential role of Poolman's girlfriend, Esteni de Wet, as well as the use of the drug, Ecstasy, in the founding of the cult.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Read: <a href="http://www.vice.com/read/meet-the-struggling-south-african-cult-who-tried-to-kill-demon-hitler-541" target="_blank"><b>Meet the Struggling South African Cult That Tried to Kill Demon Hitler</b></a></span><br />
<br /></div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-52112655473521717902015-04-15T20:04:00.001-04:002016-07-11T03:29:05.071-04:00The Equal Life Foundation is a Scam<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2GrITmd9PqprCTXE6T1_0J8KAG7v-K_hilX8ZZmlKC2ks2m8e_cpmtyR0uSlwViy5cm9EVhQkTAg-yeW9eQ3NSlJ-nW-sajt_9F4mU2r3LIqeXEEu3IIlfBpVSuu5jSQvDvynzISryDY/s1600/reptilians.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="316" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj2GrITmd9PqprCTXE6T1_0J8KAG7v-K_hilX8ZZmlKC2ks2m8e_cpmtyR0uSlwViy5cm9EVhQkTAg-yeW9eQ3NSlJ-nW-sajt_9F4mU2r3LIqeXEEu3IIlfBpVSuu5jSQvDvynzISryDY/s1600/reptilians.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Reptilian overlords</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Equal Life Foundation (ELF) states that it stands for equality, human rights and 'self-responsibility'. Yet the organisation has only ever run online marketing schemes: a 'life coaching' income plan for recruiters, the Desteni I Process (or <a href="http://desteni.org/a/veno-structural-resonance-part-1" target="_blank">Structural Resonance Alignment</a>), the Eqafe.com store, which sells 'interviews' with imaginary dead people and reptilian overlords via an affiliate marketing scheme, the Self & Living store for 'practical lifestyle' videos – as well as working holidays at the Desteni farm in South Africa and associated businesses such as <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Its deceased founder, Bernard Poolman said, Desteni provides <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vik5fPMbgx8" target="_blank">Life Coaching as a Way to Personal Wealth</a>. Less of a get-rich-quick scheme and more a change-the-world scam, customers are led to believe that Desteni / ELF has political clout when all it has is sales schemes for sub-New Age superstitions.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">According to a 'Destonian', Anna Brix Thomsen, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UxLmN_OuA" target="_blank">all that happens</a> at the Equal Life Foundation's headquarters (a farm in Pietermaritzburg, South Africa) is looking after horses, doing chores, writing blogs, and watching Sunette Spies pretending to be an 'interdimensional portal'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It is not as though Desteni / ELF is helping to protect the human rights of its poverty-stricken neighbours in South Africa -- or anywhere else. It is not practically involved in any political reform, civil action or equal rights advocacy. Desteni / ELF only ever promotes its own capitalist business interests on the internet, sometimes using political topics, but mostly, the customers publish testimonial adverts as 'Journey to Life' blogs in which they often state that Desteni / ELF courses have helped them take 'self-responsibility'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">These courses have no quantifiable benefit. Anyone can take self-responsibility by themselves, naturally, or deal with self-esteem issues or give up addictions without depending on taking part in courses with Desteni / ELF or any other group. Although, it would not necessarily make a person part of a world-changing social movement for equality – not like the Equal Life Foundation's <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed</a> (LIG) is supposed to be.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In September 2014, the Destonian-run business, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor</a> was given airtime on the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvCbVAgZUEE" target="_blank">YouTube channel</a> of Donald Trump Jr., who in his spare time enjoys <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/trumps-sons-under-investigation-african-hunting-trip-140336909--abc-news.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">slaughtering exotic animals</a> in South Africa. Versions of Techno Tutor Vocabulary Development Technology have been sold by Desteni / ELF since at least 2008 (often to people who've already been scammed by well-known fraudster and convicted criminal, Kevin Trudeau), but as someone on Godlike Productions remarked, the LIG 'proposal' is like something <a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2799516/pg1" target="_blank">a 12 year-old would write</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Whenever the Equal Life Foundation discusses the LIG, human rights or equality, it is always with the suggestion that Desteni / ELF and/or the LIG have the 'best for all' 'solution' to every single problem in the whole wide world and that you should 'investigate'; which just means signing up for products and courses. It was the same with the group's previous <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/equal-money-system-cult-scam.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System</a>... Supporting 'equal money' or the LIG equals trying to help sell Desteni / ELF products and courses.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A <a href="https://kasperkwan.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/day-285-blank-slate-mind-zombies" target="_blank">Destonian wrote</a>: '<i>I think the main reason why Living Income Guaranteed is not gaining in popularity is because people are conditioned to become obsessed with what they want, their self interest, and compete for it. The fact that people don’t search for an answer to the temperamental economic system is evidence that people have come to accept a system of inequality. In consideration of what is here though, the main reason for Living Income Guaranteed’s obscurity is because there is no money to make it known to the public.'</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The ELF does not make the LIG a topic of discussion at any social justice or political forums, or anywhere else except Destonian sites. That's why it's obscure.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni fanatic, Marlen Vargas Del Razo interviews some non-Destonians at the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/LivingIncome" target="_blank">LIG YouTube channel</a> and provides a platform for their ideas, but she does not discuss Desteni / ELF or the details of the LIG with them. If she did, then Del Razo would be obliged to explain how recruiting for online sales schemes for <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank">idiotic</a> channelings of interdimensional reptilians and dead people from the afterlife can possibly be of any relevance to ensuring a living income for all.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The LIG is just a thinly-veiled advertisement for Desteni / ELF products and courses. It conveys some political commentary but political commentary on the web does not equal a political movement or proposal. The LIG uses political and human rights topics as a way of making the group seem important, but like so many other cults, Desteni / ELF is mainly concerned with absurd spiritualistic beliefs about other dimensions, 'the self', 'stopping the mind', and sales schemes.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Desteni / ELF version of 'human rights' was written by a former prominent member of the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank">sovereign citizen</a> movement, which is founded on false conspiracy theories, racism and anti-Semitism, and is run by right wing libertarian scammers who charge money for fake financial schemes and legal advice which get people thrown in jail.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Desteni / ELF 'interdimensional portal' AKA Sunette Spies' <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/SelfAndLiving" target="_blank">recent 'Self & Living' store videos</a> are branded with the ELF name, but nothing Spies discusses is about human rights or equality. It is 'self-help' advice with corny titles like 'Less Stress More Success!', 'Building Your Relationship with Yourself' and 'Enrich Yourself, Don't Break Yourself'. As for the content, you'd get more useful 'practical lifestyle' tips reading one random article at Lifehacker.com. Oddly enough, although her background is solely as protege of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html" target="_blank">Bernard Poolman</a>, at her 'Self & Living store' no information is given about Spies, and neither Poolman or Desteni are mentioned.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=7453" target="_blank">Interview Requests</a> for the 'portal' at the Desteni forum suggest that customers are keen to hear more animal impersonations and communications from beyond the grave, but that's not going to bring about equality or protect anyone's human rights either.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">One former Desteni / ELF customer recently published <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9U9w3__fRA" target="_blank">a video</a> in which he states he's leaving the group because he cannot 'verify the material'. In another video called <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ2kOhthgM" target="_blank">My view on Desteni</a> he suggests that although Desteni presents itself as having all the answers to everything it is not possible to get all the answers from one source, not even oneself. He states that the group may be attractive to some gullible people looking for 'the truth' but the Desteni material is not unique or original in any way.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">A Destonian remarks that the 'paranormal community' has shown <a href="http://crimesjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2015/02/day-199-i-want-my-demon.html" target="_blank">very little interest</a> in the Desteni Demonology website and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebpKAGifuTI" target="_blank">yet another</a> that the 'I Process' is not fitting into his schedule and should allow for more 'individuality' or different approaches to 'walking this process'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">If Desteni / ELF is <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/desteni-going-down-drain.html" target="_blank">going down the drain</a> then it is because its claims that it stands for equality, human rights and self-responsibility are false. This statement issued by Desteni / ELF: '<i>The Equal Life Foundation's focus is in the arena of Basic Human Rights with an emphasis on how these Rights must be practically applied</i>' is misleading, if not an outright lie. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni / ELF uses a limited discussion of 'human rights' which make it seem like it could be a humanitarian cause when it is an online commercial business venture. There is no evidence that the group has any influence or involvement in any genuine human rights or political activities whatsoever. The ELF's focus is on the manufacture, promotion and sale of Desteni / ELF products, courses and sales schemes which are an incoherent mish-mash of rudimentary self-help techniques and redundant delusions of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html" target="_blank">New Age occultism</a> and <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html" target="_blank">related material</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">For how much longer can Desteni / ELF keep up the pretense? It is a very obvious scam, yet intriguing if only for the reason that some people let themselves be fooled by it.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Living Income Guaranteed: Nonsense Politics of the Destonians Equal Life Foundation</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">TechnoTutor: A Front for Desteni?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/equal-money-system-cult-scam.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Money System Cult Scam</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/desteni-going-down-drain.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni 'Going Down the Drain'</span></a></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-41470493765496307012015-01-07T07:46:00.001-05:002015-03-20T17:22:01.423-04:00Living Income Guaranteed is Not the Basic Income Guarantee<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhi64gaR2ep2dzNOGz1Pp4zdU0qBDB7DeIlwmTaplFiZTFHj3jr5NRofr2E0PBkQReapkn17qJC-GtcZq46rFT49ed-DrEQTVCoW9sEyZS46lNnePke-MH4JqlysaDF5GxqfioiZvnqD3E/s1600/basic-income.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhi64gaR2ep2dzNOGz1Pp4zdU0qBDB7DeIlwmTaplFiZTFHj3jr5NRofr2E0PBkQReapkn17qJC-GtcZq46rFT49ed-DrEQTVCoW9sEyZS46lNnePke-MH4JqlysaDF5GxqfioiZvnqD3E/s1600/basic-income.jpg" height="311" width="400" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><i>Unconditional</i> Basic Income</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It could be construed that the <a href="http://livingincome.me/wiki/The_Living_Income_Guaranteed_Proposal" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed</a> (LIG) by the Equal Life Foundation (ELF) emerges from the movement for a Universal Basic Income or the <a href="http://basicincome.org/bien/" target="_blank">Basic Income Earth Network</a> (BIEN), but this would be a misapprehension. The LIG originates from the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/p/what-is-equal-money-system.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System</a> and the ELF is not affiliated with the BIEN.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The <a href="http://basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.html" target="_blank">Basic Income</a> is described as<i> 'an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement'</i>. It is generally understood to be unconditional and universal, <i>'at the same level, to rich and poor alike'</i>. The LIG, however, would not be <i>'unconditionally provided but allocated through a means-test'</i> as <i>'a social security ‘net’'</i> for those who are <i>'eligible'</i>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Moreover, the LIG entails a 'Paradigm Shift' and wide-ranging if rather <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">nonsensical</a> 'Structural Adjustments' which are not part of any Basic Income proposal.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The LIG 'proposal' suggests strict controls to monitor Public Relations companies and the advertising industry – but if that were the case then it would put the ELF out of business. In its own words, the <i>'advertisement and public relations projects'</i> of the ELF are not <i>'focused on educating the consumer and/or population in a factual manner using information relevant to the product or service being described and promoted'</i>. The promotion of the LIG by the ELF is misleading. It uses <i>'psychological manipulation tactics'</i> which do not <i>'truly honor the dictum of the ‘informed consumer’ making rational decisions'</i>.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The ELF presents the LIG</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> in such a way that it appears as if it is connected to the Basic Income movement when it is not.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">LIG supporters regularly publish information that could easily create the false impression that if people support the LIG and give money to the ELF it may help to advance research carried out by BIEN-affiliated researchers and other supporters of the Basic Income. They do so by utilising the exact <a href="http://orthelius.info/blog/you-can-also-abuse-the-term-basic-income-for-personal-gain-by-ems-elf-destini/" target="_blank">same terminology</a> and frequently posting news items, videos, quotes and articles from the BIEN and about the Basic Income, as if these things have some relevance to the LIG when they do not. One
example of many is the video, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWotPJ25lt4" target="_blank">How to Emancipate the Precariat</a> which discusses the book, <a href="http://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-precariat-9781472536167/" target="_blank">The Precariat – the New Dangerous Class</a> by
co-founder of the BIEN, Guy Standing, in order to promote the LIG. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">At the LIG YouTube channel, the most vociferous LIG supporter and author of <a href="http://marlenvargasdelrazo.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/eugenics-is-best-for-all-life-in-equality" target="_blank">Eugenics is Best for All Life in Equality</a>, Marlen Del Razo interviews Basic Income supporters (notably, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16RtLOiO_3E" target="_blank">Scott Santens</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnKnj7h03K0" target="_blank">Nyc Labrets</a>) about the Basic Income but without ever mentioning the ELF or the LIG in any detail or the fact that the LIG is an entirely <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">different thing</a> to the Basic Income; yet elsewhere she expresses</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> the view that a </span><a href="http://mixlr.com/marlen-vargas-del-razo/showreel/a-universal-basic-income-will-never-happen" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">universal basic income will never happen</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The ELF's so-called 'Bill of Rights' has been written by <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank">Ken Cousens</a>, who until recently was a prominent spokesperson for the 'sovereign citizen' group, the 'Republic for the united States of America', from which he has been <a href="http://creoharmony.blogspot.co.uk/2012_10_01_archive.html" target="_blank">accused of stealing</a> over a million dollars. Many of his ideas to do with money, the law, politics etc., are identical to the pseudo-legal conspiracy theories and beliefs of the <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjmacnab/2012/02/13/what-is-a-sovereign-citizen/" target="_blank">Sovereign Citizen Movement</a> which have been used by scam artists to con people out of money and in some cases, get them <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/sovereigncitizen/" target="_blank">thrown in jail</a>. </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cousens is formally providing training to the ELF/LIG supporters, and while his </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">'sovereign citizen'-style beliefs may be relevant to the LIG such beliefs are not in any way an influence on the movement for the Basic Income.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Unlike the proposals for a Basic Income, the LIG 'proposal' is not discussed by its supporters within an actual political arena or public social forum, but only on websites run by its supporters. If the LIGgers were to openly discuss their 'proposal' with others then they would be forced to address certain</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">pertinent issues</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, not least the fact that the main activity of the ELF is in marketing schemes of the group known as </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/what-is-desteni.html" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Desteni</a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:<br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/living-income-guaranteed-nonsense.html" target="_blank">Living Income Guaranteed: Nonsense Politics of the Destonians Equal Life Foundation</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/equal-life-foundation-trojan-horse.html" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation Trojan Horse: Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/the-destonian-sovereign-citizen.html" target="_blank">The Destonian Sovereign Citizen</a><br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/equal-money-system-final-solution.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System Final Solution: Eugenics</a></span></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-55436150779384263912014-11-29T22:47:00.000-05:002017-08-25T16:45:43.809-04:00The Destonian Sovereign Citizen<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitObgs9gj05ApbWSVpPD8AGtDvHAJ7uYtdTqk3pc72i7niBEiMswwN5uy1Oo0A9J4yEVqHKILVzl4SL0eOUknVucbP7M0LhJmQZtB9zJdCflGpeoCNnqCgutt_iXBWq0CDy4zBCgwQPdo/s1600/civilflag.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" height="222" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEitObgs9gj05ApbWSVpPD8AGtDvHAJ7uYtdTqk3pc72i7niBEiMswwN5uy1Oo0A9J4yEVqHKILVzl4SL0eOUknVucbP7M0LhJmQZtB9zJdCflGpeoCNnqCgutt_iXBWq0CDy4zBCgwQPdo/s1600/civilflag.jpg" width="400" /></a></div>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">[Update June 2017: Ken Cousens and Andrea Teale are no longer associated with Desteni. The following article serves as a record of events.]</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Several
hour-long YouTube videos entitled </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcxItVlP2Va7sDkpXLtuYOL47eSyyC_0F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Walking The World System</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, which are of
talks given by Desteni / Equal Life Foundation champion, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2PbydBKE6g" target="_blank">Ken Cousens</a>, and hosted by Anna Brix Thomsen and Marlen Del Razo, were recently posted at t</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB">he
</span></span></span>Desteni leadership forum<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"> </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">along
with detailed notes. They are supposed to be unlisted but currently are listed.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens is the author of the Desteni </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><a href="https://marlenvargasdelrazo.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/the-equal-life-foundation-bill-of-rights/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Life Foundation Bill of Rights</span></a></span></span></span></span></span> <span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">and has written other articles for the group such as </span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'The Starting Point'.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In these videos, Ken Cousens
discusses money, the law, history, the 'hidden elite', esotericism,
mythology, 'the mind', arcane symbols found in corporate logos and
the Bible, 'interdimensional reality' etc.; his own brand of
New Age conspiracism. B</span></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">ut the main part of his discussion consists
of a repetition of the typical pseudo-legal arguments of the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Sovereign Citizen Movement</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></div>
<div lang="en-GB" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens has often been a guest </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">on </span><a href="http://www.morningliberty.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Morning Liberty</span></a></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> radio</span></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">with right wing broadcaster, Robert
A. Hender Jr</span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">. He </span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="color: black;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">appears</span></span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> in
</span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJf90wKlaUw" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">videos</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> posted in 2011 as </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Chief
Jury Foreman</span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> of the </span><a href="http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Republic for the united States of America</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> (RuSA), </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">which is the largest
organisation in the world of 'sovereign citizens'. </span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">Civil
rights law firm, </span></span></span></span><a href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement" target="_blank">Southern Poverty Law reports</a><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">:</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The
strange subculture of the sovereign citizens movement, whose
adherents hold truly bizarre, complex antigovernment beliefs, has
been growing at a fast pace since the late 2000s. Sovereigns believe
that they — not judges, juries, law enforcement or elected
officials — get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore,
and they don't think they should have to pay taxes.</span></i></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The
RuSA has</span></span></span></span><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> been </span></span></span><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">plagued by
</span><a href="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/summer/sins-of-the-sovereigns" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">violence and criminality</span></a></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and its former leader, </span><a href="http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2013/07/self-proclaimed_sovereign_citi.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">James Timothy Turner was sentenced to 18 years in federal custody</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> in July 2013 </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">for tax fraud.</span></span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The
FBI regards the Sovereign Citizen Movement as a form of </span><a href="http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">terrorism</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It
has been widely reported that the 'sovereign citizen movement' is run by con artists who engage in scams and frauds by charging money to
coach people in how to eliminate debts or mortgage fees, create
fake currency, drivers plates or licenses, dodge taxes, etc.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<b><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens
has written a so-called <a href="http://republicfornevada.net/republicfornevada_blog/?cat=27" target="_blank">Affidavit of Truth</a></span></span></span></span></b><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">which gives some background on his involvement with the RuSA in
relation to his company, PanTerra PCA.</span></span></span><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He previously wrote a
pseudo-historical 'esoteric' narrative (before Desteni, in which he
suggests Andrea Teale who is now a Destonian 'channeled' </span><a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Maitreya" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Maitreya</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> for eight years): </span><a href="http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol12/articles/history-treaty.shtml" style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" target="_blank">Holographic History and the End of a Great Cycle</a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">.</span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">His
name appears in connection with a company called 'Universal Legal Network' (which has offered help with foreclosures as have many 'Sovereign
Citizen' gurus) at <a href="http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/universal-legal-network-irvine-california-c432752.html" target="_blank">compaintsboard.com</a>, at <a href="http://universal-legal-network.pissedconsumer.com/nevine-carmell-nevine-carmelle-universal-legal-network-20110318227457.html" target="_blank">pissedconsumer.com</a>, </span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">in
connection with another group called <a href="http://creoharmony.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/upu-postmaster-general-na-key-st-peter.html#comment-form" target="_blank">Divine Province</a></span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, and at <a href="http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Ken-Cousins/rancho-cucamonga-California-91729/Ken-Cousins-Slander-Thief-False-Accusations-Extorsion-rancho-cucamonga-California-866521" target="_blank">Ripoff Report</a> he replies to certain accusations. </span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cousens' </span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">videos for Desteni / Equal Life Foundation</span></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> show that he is a strong proponent of beliefs of the
Sovereign Citizen Movement, and although the movement is mainly
based in the USA and Canada, he now takes a more global perspective.</span></span></span></span><br />
<div lang="en-GB" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></div>
<div lang="en-GB" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span lang="en-GB"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In
the </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcxItVlP2Va7sDkpXLtuYOL47eSyyC_0F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Walking the World System</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> videos Cousens formally
extends an invitation to the Destonians to join his companies, </span><a href="http://panterrapca.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Panterra PCA</span></a><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"> and </span><a href="http://www.gemstoneuniversity.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Gemstone University</span></a></span></span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">, the
websites for which are made up of pseudo-historical and
pseudo-legal notions, grand conspiracy theories, New Age word salad and sovereign citizen beliefs.</span></span></span></span></div>
<div lang="en-GB" style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></div>
<div lang="en-GB">
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/SelfAndLiving" target="_blank">Sunette Spies</a> and the core Desteni / Equal Life Foundation group in South Africa
appear to have given Ken Cousens the official go ahead to coach Destonians in how to apply
his version of sovereign citizen ideology in whichever country they
happen to live.</span></span></span></span></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background: transparent;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></span></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; text-align: right;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="background-attachment: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-image: initial; background-origin: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-size: initial;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></span></span></span></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/11/equal-life-foundation-trojan-horse.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Life Foundation Trojan Horse: Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)</span></a></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-life-foundation-npo-for-equal.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Life Foundation: NPO for Equal Rights -- or Money & Food for Destonians?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</span></a></div>
</div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">New Age Occultism of Desteni Equal Money System</span></a></div>
</div>
<br /></div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-58512696356444038792014-08-26T04:11:00.000-04:002015-01-09T08:36:46.121-05:00Living Income Guaranteed: Nonsense Politics of the Destonians Equal Life Foundation<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjxCnLhPFCkbmO0o5qumzXkmYuq9slzNigfZs6eGTWb-7vyXzJN5vvmAYHJTGClZ5nPnYVezAazBhMfp4ccOpKOhw5PvyfdkhSUGJol7MZRNV7Akxn8nxxobGeWcHVJiAr5DH9gfUeh2k/s1600/platform.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjxCnLhPFCkbmO0o5qumzXkmYuq9slzNigfZs6eGTWb-7vyXzJN5vvmAYHJTGClZ5nPnYVezAazBhMfp4ccOpKOhw5PvyfdkhSUGJol7MZRNV7Akxn8nxxobGeWcHVJiAr5DH9gfUeh2k/s1600/platform.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">An online platform</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The Living Income
Guaranteed (LIG) is presented by the Equal Life Foundation (ELF) as
an initiative towards global equality, political and economic
stability and a decent standard of living for all. Its <a href="https://www.facebook.com/BasicIncomeGuaranteedByEqualLifeFoundation" target="_blank">Facebook page</a> has over 27,000 'likes'</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> but few details about the LIG are on
Facebook, so let's have a closer look...</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">T</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">he South
Africa-based ELF is a 'non-profit' company that</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> runs</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> a </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">recruitment</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">scheme for an <a href="http://desteni.org/income-plan-recruiters" target="_blank">income plan</a> </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and an </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="https://eqafe.com/about-affiliate-program" target="_blank">affiliate sales</a></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> programme </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">selling online products and <a href="http://desteniiprocess.com/income" target="_blank">courses</a> </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">for a group of people 'exploring oneness and equality principles' called 'Desteni'</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The ELF </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">states its focus is 'human rights'. It </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">owns copyright of material produced by the Desteni group, including </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">the <a href="https://www.quora.com/Equal-Money-System-1" target="_blank">Equal Money System</a></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> and </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">audio files of '<a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/10251.html" target="_blank">self-perfection</a> interviews' with reptilians and dead people.</span></span> <br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Publicity for both the ELF and the LIG often omits to mention Desteni, but t</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">he LIG is only ever promoted by less than about 100 people</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> affiliated with the group who call themselves 'Destonians'. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">Their support for the LIG could possibly give the impression that the Destonians are activists but they say that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzHd2P04mGs" target="_blank">activism has never achieved anything</a> and they are 'practivists'.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The LIG could appear
to be a variation of the <a href="http://www.basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.html" target="_blank">Basic Income Guarantee</a> (BIG) but is a very different concept altogether. Its policies are completely unrelated to
the BIG.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The main </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://livingincome.me/wiki/The_Living_Income_Guaranteed_Proposal" target="_blank">LIG document</a></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">wrongly asserts,
'There has never been a plan that would consider how to live
harmoniously on this planet so far'. It states 'we don't need
leaders' while its supporters take part in a</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><b> </b></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><a href="http://leadership.desteni.org/" target="_blank">leadership forum</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">The <a href="http://livingincome.me/wiki/The_Living_Income_Guaranteed_Proposal" target="_blank">LIG document</a> is described as a 'draft proposal' for global political and economic change.
Since its inception over a year ago, the LIG does not appear to have </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">been
<i>proposed</i> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">to
any politicians, legislators, political groups or organisations,
journalists from mainstream or alternative media, governments, state
departments, universities, etc. Despite their repeated use of the phrase, 'best for all' to refer to the LIG as all things to all people, there have been no public meetings on the subject and the LIG has only</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> ever been <i>proposed</i> as a topic of discussion
amongst the Destonians and at their own web pages. </span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The Destonians say the LIG </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">'solution' is towards <a href="http://livingincomeforall.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">Perfecting Capitalism</a>. It is described as an</span></span></span> <span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">'economic model' for a 'living income' welfare 'net' to cover basic
necessities and equalling half the 'minimum wage', which would be double what it is now. The LIG would not be universally </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><i>guaranteed</i></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">, as it would only be available to those who are 'eligible'. <a href="http://livingincome.me/discuss/t/288-will-children-be-given-lig" target="_blank">Children</a> might be deemed 'eligible' but the unemployed would first have to pass an unspecified 'means test'</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The term,
'nationalization', is used incorrectly by the Destonians to suggest that in a 'LIG system' each
citizen of a </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">nation
w</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">ould
be obliged to operate as both <a href="http://livingincomeguaranteed.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/living-income-and-nationalized-resources" target="_blank">owner and shareholder</a></span></span> <span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">of
all major corporations and resources</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">. There would be a <a href="http://economistjourneytolife.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/day-256-will-lig-result-in-centrally.html" target="_blank">very limited role for government</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"> but somehow
the LIG 'solution' would mean prices would <a href="http://economistjourneytolife.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/day-241-will-inflation-be-problem-with.html" target="_blank">adjust</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">to
wages and vice versa, personal tax would be abolished and corporate profits and</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">
</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">the
redirection of military funds would finance public services and the LIG.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><br />Destonians seem to view the erosion of civil liberties as beneficial to society, and a purely digital economy a way of significantly reducing illegal
trade. They recommend automation, digital ID cards, digital money /
banking and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNtK4Xlajm4" target="_blank">no privacy</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">, and claim all </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">this
will deter 'illicit financial transactions', protests, and what they
call <a href="http://livingincomeguaranteed.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/living-income-grant-and-the-nationalization-of-banks" target="_blank">social dissidence</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyDWLhnTPVpFddgGa-npuyOlH6mVDfsNOb45POyDfr2pczwHcpvewsOpkunGRyXvyVqRvFfeLKSnU4lqJY5jTeKmhccoOfsA6EbhDuGIQmxZdeEL5Cqy_p-pKp0-X_F6pkdTyrmCq-4_c/s1600/teachers-strike.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiyDWLhnTPVpFddgGa-npuyOlH6mVDfsNOb45POyDfr2pczwHcpvewsOpkunGRyXvyVqRvFfeLKSnU4lqJY5jTeKmhccoOfsA6EbhDuGIQmxZdeEL5Cqy_p-pKp0-X_F6pkdTyrmCq-4_c/s1600/teachers-strike.jpg" height="244" width="400" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">In a LIG system teachers would not protest?</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">Teachers'
salaries in a LIG system would be at <a href="http://basicincomeguaranteed.wordpress.com/2013/07/03/basic-income-guaranteed-and-teaching" target="_blank">half the minimum wage</a>. </span>This
would be to stop people from entering the teaching profession simply to make
money, but why the same rule should not also apply to other
fields of work is unclear.</span></span>
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The LIG </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">includes policies to make PR and advertising agencies focus 'on educating the consumer and/or population in a factual
manner' and a 'Bureau of Standards' to ensure products and services
are always of the highest possible quality. It seems that the regulations
pertaining to the service, manufacturing and advertising industries
would be far more strict and complex than at present.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;">Apparently,
the LIG 'solution' would be 'implemented' by </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">'the
people', who would make collective decisions about a nation, its
businesses, natural resources and banks through 'direct democracy'
facilitated via 'online platforms for political participation'.
Creation or management of these platforms is not explained, but a LIG
supporter represented as </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://economistjourneytolife.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/day-262-democratization-put-your-money.html" target="_blank">economist</a></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>
</b></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">(with
no credentials)</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> suggests that the 'like' buttons on Facebook prove it can be done, and
'coming together' does not have to be a 'physical event'.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">The Destonians' </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">articles
on the LIG indicate that they are of the view that political change
begins on a subjective level and can be engineered from within, for
which they usually imply the ELF 'Desteni I Process' courses and 'Eqafe' products provide the
necessary guidance to facilitate 'self-responsibility'.</span></span>
<br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">These are most of the main points covered by the LIG, but the Destonians have failed to communicate any actual ideas. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The
very few reasonable statements they make are about things which are already being dealt with in far more articulate and effective ways by numerous other more well-established and respected groups and individuals (such as the <a href="http://www.basicincome.org/bien/" target="_blank">Basic Income Earth Network</a>). </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Destonians' 'plan' lacks any coherent understanding or awareness of economics, politics or political theory. </span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The LIG</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">is made up of misconceived, vague, half-baked, irrational</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> notions, pseudo-political slogans, empty clichés and sub-New Age psychobabble</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">does not provide any 'practical solution' and offers no strategies or
actions to help bring about social equality or political
or economic change. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">In short, the LIG is inconsequential drivel. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">T</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">he reason why the LIG is such nonsense is because it is a vain attempt to resemble a political movement</span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">in order to
try to solve the problem of how to guarantee income and recruit for a </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">quasi-religious cult business which has been <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html" target="_blank">doomed</a> from the start, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" target="_blank">exposed</a> for what it is many times over, and is finally <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2014/05/desteni-going-down-drain.html" target="_blank">going down the drain</a>.</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><br />
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It is curious to note that although there are over 27,000 'likes' for the LIG on
Facebook, the number of Destonians remains the same as it was circa 2010: about 100-150 world-wide.</span></div>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts:</b></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/11/equal-life-foundation-trojan-horse.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Life Foundation Trojan Horse: Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-life-foundation-npo-for-equal.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Life Foundation: NPO for Equal Rights -- or Money & Food for Destonians?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/equal-money-system-spreading-faq.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Money System: spreading the FAQ?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni Doomed - 1</span></a></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-38235529844036162072014-05-30T19:44:00.000-04:002015-01-09T20:33:25.264-05:00Desteni 'Going Down the Drain'<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiU63tKx-1Y6Y2Ua2c_5q3HrNn8RBe1JFDWhKu0aFdTHyEEP-wS_bcImr1quLuNcj52bKi0v9gy5VmpIrMN3VPHI_k40hnnBTraTrt0HfciHwrOJ_tCwjb4908-OcAlaE_GPURPTQ0Sdpg/s1600/desteni-drain.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiU63tKx-1Y6Y2Ua2c_5q3HrNn8RBe1JFDWhKu0aFdTHyEEP-wS_bcImr1quLuNcj52bKi0v9gy5VmpIrMN3VPHI_k40hnnBTraTrt0HfciHwrOJ_tCwjb4908-OcAlaE_GPURPTQ0Sdpg/s1600/desteni-drain.jpg" height="245" width="400" /></a></div>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">15 Oct 2013, a
journalist from international arts, culture and news
magazine, </span><a href="http://vice.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Vice</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">, posted at the </span><a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?t=5989" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Desteni forum</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">4 March 2014, the
same journalist posted at the </span><a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=107" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Cult Education Institute Forum</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> and implied
that 'Destonians' had been unwilling to arrange interviews with him. He asked for anyone with direct experience of 'Desteni' to send him an email, and </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">whether the group 'is evolving, or just
withering away'. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The next day, the </span><a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/11872.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Destenigossip</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> blog expressed the view that Desteni is 'pretty much
done for'. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Since
its founder, </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/new-beast-of-revelation.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Bernard Poolman</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">,
died in August 2013, </span></span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">Desteni appears to be far less
active than it was back in 2007-12</span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: small;">. Several members no longer seem to have the prominent online
presence they once had</span><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">On 20 May 2014,
long-time 'Destonian', Viktor Persson, published an </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">article entitled, </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ff6OOjgj94MJ:viktorpersson.com/2014/05/day-139-look-at-what-they-are-doing/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk" target="_blank">Day 139: Look At What They Are Doing!</a></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">d</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">iscussing how he became emotionally distraught at seeing Desteni fall apart. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It began:</span></span></div>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size: small;">Recently some reactions
have come up within me wherein I’ve experienced irritation,
annoyance, as well as fear and anxiety towards the point of seeing
the Desteni-group fall apart and not anymore walking together.</span></i></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size: small;">I have for example been
observing some individuals that in the past were avid spokespersons
for Desteni and the principle of ‘What is best for all’ slowly
fade away – and towards this I’ve then had the backchat come up
within me: ‘But don’t they understand how important this is?
Don’t they understand that walking in a group is the only things
that will make a difference?’</span></i></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size: small;">This irritation have
been accompanied with worry, as well as blame – blaming those that
are not walking anymore as being the cause for the group not moving
as I want it to move, and for me becoming worried that ‘Everything
is going down the drain’.</span></i></span></blockquote>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Within hours, Persson's 'Day 139' post was deleted (the</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> complete cached
article can be read <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ff6OOjgj94MJ:viktorpersson.com/2014/05/day-139-look-at-what-they-are-doing/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk" target="_blank">here</a></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">) from both his website and the Desteni forum. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The following day,
Persson changed his title for 'Day 139' to <a href="http://viktorpersson.com/2014/05/day-139-emotion-as-divergence-tactic" target="_blank">Emotion as Divergence Tactic</a></span><span style="font-size: small;">.<br /><br /></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><b>Related posts</b>:<br /><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html">The Voice of a Sane Organization? - Desteni Doomed - 1</a></span></span></div>
</div>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
</blockquote>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-91181767403967756942014-05-10T07:34:00.000-04:002014-12-20T16:34:25.725-05:00Desteni Process Exposed as a Game<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBmLherHPWM_9KReaxA5JWCKfCZ6CBkc9RIX254QObzrGAZoaIWi6QJomjao_qtwfmBYQc7gSRUKvtysaOMecnuKhcEBt8ARbYOdW_A9aTL5itdiCEwHP8AKvajLb9lma0eErBWApEnV8/s1600/slot_777.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBmLherHPWM_9KReaxA5JWCKfCZ6CBkc9RIX254QObzrGAZoaIWi6QJomjao_qtwfmBYQc7gSRUKvtysaOMecnuKhcEBt8ARbYOdW_A9aTL5itdiCEwHP8AKvajLb9lma0eErBWApEnV8/s1600/slot_777.jpg" height="177" width="400" /></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /><a href="http://msforcina.blogspot.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Monty Jonson</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> reports:</span></span><span style="font-size: small;">
</span><br />
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></div>
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span></div>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-size: small;"></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">To
break away from Desteni for most Destonians would also be a loss of
self-empowerment because their starting point for breath was not
themselves but rather the very predictable subtle intention of
'belonging in a group and believing I am doing the right thing.'</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">'Intention'
in Desteni was simply put - Starting Point.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Magick,
well, magic is Self-Correction, Self-Empowerment, Self-Honesty.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Self-forgiveness
is a way of removing guilt, 'cause guilt is unnecessary and can get
in the way of so much.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Once
enough self-forgiveness is done the brain gets used to the idea of
forgiving itself for everything and from that point on all
self-forgiveness may as well be masturbation.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It's
nice, it makes you feel good. That's the way Bernard intended it to
be used.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">What
I am trying to make you senior Destonians understand is that this was
a planned structure from the start.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Bernard
said himself, after visiting the masters and discovering the state of
the bullshit reality and the lack of willingness for anyone in actual
powerful ability to do anything about it, driven by anger, he desired
to be and create the biggest demon imaginable.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">He
has spoken many things that are incongruent with the Desteni
teachings, but because you were under his spell/hypnosis (not
specifically directly, mainly indirectly due to your desire to
achieve 'gnosis' (whatever that whiz bang definition is for you!) and
unwillingness to do it on your own steam looking for the closest
thing that will do to ease the pain you feel when you think of all
the children that are dieing all over the world) you never saw what
he was actually teaching YOUR BODIES.</span></span> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Maybe now you will.</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></blockquote>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: left;">
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: small;">Full Story</span></b><span style="font-size: small;">: <a href="http://msforcina.blogspot.com/2014/04/day-3-what-is-left-to-do-on-blog-then.html" target="_blank">Day 3 -What is left to do on a blog then if the external process has been exposed as 'the game'</a></span></span></div>
<div style="font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; margin-bottom: 0cm; text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-59203656503573322482013-11-17T19:14:00.000-05:002015-01-08T15:01:40.723-05:00Equal Life Foundation Trojan Horse: Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">On October </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">17th 2013</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, the Basic Income
News website posted an article, </span><a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cult-Debunker Accuses Equal Life Foundation of Deceptively Using the Term 'Basic Income Guaranteed'</span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> which is a report on the YouTube video </span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">by scam-buster and critic of cults, Robert W. Lester</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpaSfyzgc-A" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni Basic Income – Scam?</span></a>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">and related matters.</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEzR3-RJnQAjVcjhowvOh-vS2RYDsm87fnNLoOOjKj-MINseQMUD5u4dcq1Z60aVJYbUQlsbAsRmNEkMcIHI0AWZhHwDDHfc9uG3lKap1_0XRYJcsqD3CuoUTfUnP3Dy5zN3c9X1UgpAQ/s1600/LIG-trojan.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiEzR3-RJnQAjVcjhowvOh-vS2RYDsm87fnNLoOOjKj-MINseQMUD5u4dcq1Z60aVJYbUQlsbAsRmNEkMcIHI0AWZhHwDDHfc9uG3lKap1_0XRYJcsqD3CuoUTfUnP3Dy5zN3c9X1UgpAQ/s1600/LIG-trojan.jpg" /></a></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />A link to it was
posted at the </span><a href="http://www.cultnews.net/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cult News Network</span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, the
</span><a href="http://skepticwars.blogspot.com/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Skeptic Wars</span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> blog, and at the </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Basic-Income-News/146808728715113" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Basic Income News Facebook page</span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">where
one commentator remarked that </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i>'some
time ago I tried to draw attention to this fact on fb – they are in
many big groups and sites and use basic income as a trojan horse'</i>.</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br />The Equal Life Foundation (ELF) company is indeed using the Basic Income as a Trojan horse </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">in the form of its so-called 'Living Income Guaranteed (LIG)'</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The ELF is attempting </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">to participate in</span></span> <span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">the same arena of activism as the Basic Income Guarantee (BIG) by seeming to support a version of the Basic Income but with the</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> intention
of soliciting donations, selling merchandise and online courses and recruiting for Desteni, which </span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">as described by many people including another scam-buster, <a href="http://ethanvanderbuilt.com/2013/07/03/desteni-is-brainwashing-and-a-cult" target="_blank">Ethan Vanderbuilt</a></span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, is essentially a</span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> cult that deals in brainwashing</span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></div>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0vNXW-ddHwYe0YqRU5p_TFhyphenhyphen4njnR1IwB8gRLjW1cELk_ulRM84qyGVU6BHa-lxWaWqRfxcpVsJG4XSKgQ4GKgDqKd8q637r2MpGFvuwfqgvNGV4Z6hbYPYyuT1HDFPVqS6f7iqTJb7g/s1600/Living.Income.Guaranteed.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi0vNXW-ddHwYe0YqRU5p_TFhyphenhyphen4njnR1IwB8gRLjW1cELk_ulRM84qyGVU6BHa-lxWaWqRfxcpVsJG4XSKgQ4GKgDqKd8q637r2MpGFvuwfqgvNGV4Z6hbYPYyuT1HDFPVqS6f7iqTJb7g/s1600/Living.Income.Guaranteed.jpg" /></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">US BIG Network Facebook post for the article, </span><a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cult-Debunker</span></a><br />
<a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Accuses Equal Life Foundation </span></a><a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">of Deceptively </span></a><a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Using the Term </span></a><br />
<a href="http://binews.org/2013/10/cult-debunker-accuses-equal-life-foundation-of-deceptively-using-the-term-%E2%80%9Cbasic-income-guaranteed%E2%80%9D" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">'Basic Income Guaranteed'</span></a><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">
</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">
</span>
<br />
<div style="font-weight: 400; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">A
commentator on the <a href="https://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/US-Basic-Income-Guarantee-Network/206792926015200" target="_blank">US Basic Income Guarantee Network Facebook page</a></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> wrote about ELF: </span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i>'Currently
I am doing a thesis on a basic income grant, but their proposal for a
basic income grant is deceptive. Many of the staff who I work with
have also heard of this group, and in turn, turning away from the
idea of a basic income grant due to ELF proposal of a BIG'.</i></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It could seem as if some individuals campaigning for
the BIG are affiliated with Desteni/</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">ELF. The LIG website features links to news items pertaining to the BIG campaign,
as if this has something to do with their LIG. A</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> third commentator at the <a href="https://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/US-Basic-Income-Guarantee-Network/206792926015200" target="_blank">US BIG Network FB page</a> remarked, <i>'They have embedded video and used
quotes that make it look like people are members of ELF who are not.' </i></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">However, the same commentator also pointed out that <i>'This is
a very small group that makes itself look bigger on the internet. I
don't think they will have lasting harm'</i>. </span></span></span></div>
<div style="font-weight: 400; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">There are thousands of 'likes' on ELF or LIG Facebook pages but </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">anyone who researches the
ELF or LIG finds out </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">that these projects are integral to </span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">the Desteni group </span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">as founded by recently deceased Bernard Poolman. It</span></span></span> <span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">involves around 100 people called 'Destonians', and</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> while they</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">claim to stand for equality their</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> basic position is sectarian and <a href="http://www.reveal.org/library/psych/lifton.html" target="_blank">totalistic</a></span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The LIG is supposed to be towards</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> a global state run according to a Desteni/ELF </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">'Equal Money System' </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">that is seen by Destonians as the only true 'system' that can and will provide for and police every aspect of human beings' lives. </span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">A</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">ll t</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">he ideas of Desteni/ELF</span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> -- which include imaginary </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">communications
with aliens and fictional dead people, </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">public confessions of self-forgiveness,</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">the
eradication of consciousness and the mind, </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">microchip</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> tagging</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">, no rights to privacy, a ban on porn and alcohol,</span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://eleonoragozzini.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/day-355-what-is-the-holo-cost-up-to-date" target="_blank">Holocaust revisionism</a>, </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">quack cures for cancer,</span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">a <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/techno-tutor-desteni.html" target="_blank">Techno Tutor</a> to 'accelerate vocabulary', made-up stories about <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2BF725CDE37DF5A1" target="_blank">human history</a></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">, ingestion of <a href="http://caminohacialavidaenigualdad.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/dia-4-el-peroxido-hidrogeno-h2o2-y-el.html" target="_blank">hydrogen peroxide</a>, Homeopathy
as the primary form of medicine, the revival of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/equal-money-system-final-solution.html" target="_blank">eugenics</a>, </span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and 'psychological interventions' for dissenters</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> -- are unmitigated rubbish. </span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The Destonians' LIG 'proposal'</span></span> <span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">utilises information pertaining to, </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and could seem to be part of the real BIG campaign, </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">which has, for instance, </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">succeeded in ensuring a <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004" target="_blank">National Referendum on Basic Income</a> in Switzerland </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and in the US the BIG is included in
the <a href="http://interoccupy.net/occupystrategy/2013/10/occupy-strategy-groups-top-10-recommended-strategic-objectives" target="_blank">Occupy Strategy Group's Top 10 recommended strategic objectives</a></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">It could look like t</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">he Destonians support the BIG, but they don't. The article by </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Basic Income Earth Network member, Robin Ketelaars, <a href="http://orthelius.info/blog/Index.php/you-can-also-abuse-the-term-basic-income-for-personal-gain-by-ems-elf-destini" target="_blank">You can also abuse the term Basic Income for personal gain</a>, describes how the LIG version of a Basic Income is not the same as </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">the BIG.</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The Destonians</span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">simply copied the BIG proposal and manufactured their own modified imitation </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">of it after their </span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">'Equal Money System' was dismissed</span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">as a scam</span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><a href="https://www.quora.com/Equal-Money-System-1" target="_blank">at Quora.com</a></span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">At first they called it 'Basic Income <i>Guaranteed</i> (BIG)' but after the criticism levelled at their scheme at the <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042" target="_blank">Cult Education Forum</a>, in Lester's video, Ketelaars' article and this blog, they changed the name to LIG. </span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">To <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lig" target="_blank">lig</a> means to gatecrash an event as a freeloader. T</span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">he LIG exists to try to guarantee income for Desteni/ELF</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> by being presented as if it is part of a bigger social movement for equality</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It is not unlike a charity scam where
for its own personal gain a group impersonates a charity or pretends
to be part of a charity, except in this case the group is pretending
to be part of a political campaign. </span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">t</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">should be called the </span><i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni Income Guaranteed (DIG)</span></i></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Again, anyone who investigates Desteni/ELF soon learns that its activities </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">are mostly limited to the internet </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and a ranch in South Africa, and that s</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">ince 2007, Desteni/ELF </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">has failed to formulate or carry out any reasonable initiatives or actions for equality, human rights, politics or anything else, but</span></span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">beginning with the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank">Desteni Portal idiot test</a>, has attempted one
preposterous scam after another and already been <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank">thoroughly discredited</a></span></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The LIG 'proposal' </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">is far less likely to cause harm to the BIG campaign than it is to </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni/ELF</span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">, as it has been shown many times before that the more </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni AKA the 'Equal Life Foundation</span></span>' <span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">draws attention to itself the
more there are <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" target="_blank">consequences</a></span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">. </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></span>
<br />
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Desteni/ELF </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">is an intriguing example of the </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">phenomenon of</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink" target="_blank">groupthink</a>, and how </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">an extremely silly cult can be formed through the delusions and blatant deception and exploitation of a few people who are fooled by certain aspects of spirituality, New Age self-help psychology, conspiracy theories and occultism </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">and/or have social or mental health issues. </span></span></span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Apart from that, however, Desteni/ELF and its LIG are irrelevant. </span></span></span><br />
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/p/basic-income-equal-life-foundation.html" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation & Living Income Guaranteed</a></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-life-foundation-npo-for-equal.html" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation: NPO for Equal Rights -- or Money & Food for Destonians?</a></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/02/desteni-doomed-7-public-consequences.html" target="_blank">Desteni Doomed - 7: Public Consequences</a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/equal-money-journey-to-lies.html" target="_blank">Equal Money Journey to Lies</a></span></span><br />
<span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html" target="_blank">Desteni Discussions</a></span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
</div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-30588857827915374512013-02-20T21:16:00.000-05:002016-09-06T17:36:43.788-04:00Public Consequences - Desteni Doomed - 7<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">(continued from </span><b><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html">Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">2: Cult Awareness</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/11/cultish-behaviour-patterns-desteni.html">3: Cultish Behaviour Patterns</a></span></b><span style="font-size: x-small;"> / 4: <b><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html">Related Material Elsewhere</a></b> / 5: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-part-5-best-cult-ever.html"><b>The Best Cult EVER?</b></a> / 6: <b><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/01/desteni-doomed-part-6-equality-lie.html">The Equality Lie</a></b>)</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;">Changes to the System</span></b></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni is supposed to be a group of people developing a new global system of equality called Equal Money System (EMS) which can be applied
at every level of human, plant and animal existence. Putting aside the question of how equality could ever be a 'system', why is it that the people
involved in Desteni only use social networking websites, make blogs and YouTube videos and do practically
nothing else to communicate their message to the public?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In 2011, as previously reported, some of the Desteni channels featuring thousands of their videos were terminated by <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/desteniproductions">YouTube</a> and Vimeo.
This was after Desteni had issued numerous copyright claims against other channels.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians say they were banned because their 'message of equality' is <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=701&start=80">a threat to the system</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In fact, Desteni had been reported (not by anyone associated with this blog)
for violating the user guidelines of YouTube and Vimeo which do not allow spam, 'commercially deceptive
content' or Multi-Level Marketing. Desteni videos are in order to advertise the Desteni I Process MLM scheme, and any form of MLM is widely regarded as commercially deceptive.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">More on this at: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/desteni-material-banned-by-web-host.html" target="_blank">Desteni material banned by web host</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Desteni organisation has been active on the internet since 2007, and still runs countless YouTube channels, blogs and websites. Thousands upon thousands of their videos and texts have been and are published on a daily basis. But there are still only around 100-150 members of the group.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After the DesteniProductions and BernardPoolman YouTube channels had been terminated there were <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">some changes</a> to the public image of the organisation. Before the end of 2011, the founder, Bernard Poolman and the 'Desteni portal' Sunette Spies had been publishing talks
nearly every day. Nowadays, however, they release a lot less videos, with several weeks or months between new releases. (note: this changed soon after the
publishing of this article as Spies has taken to releasing public
audio-based videos more frequently but not as yet Poolman)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians started <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/desteni-spam-reddit-with-lies.html">posting at Reddit.com</a> last year, but apart from <a href="http://youtu.be/ddkwtMDSaA4">brief comments</a> of approval, they rarely discuss each other's posts. Sometimes they post in other sub-Reddits, but then get criticised for being a cult, just as they were two years
ago. Here are links to commentary about Desteni at Reddit:</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/demko/the_first_esect_ever_made"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The first e-sect ever made?</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/dh2h9/what_makes_people_turn_to_religion"><span style="font-size: x-small;">What makes people turn to religion?</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/eb0nm/interesting_cult_i_found_surfing_youtube"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Interesting cult I found surfing youtube</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/gt1ri/a_friend_of_mine_is_part_of_a_south_african_cult"><span style="font-size: x-small;">A friend of mine is part of a South African cult called Desteni that forces its members to shave themselves bald and work on the farm of their leader. What should I do?</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/sy4vb/are_atheists_prisoners_of_the_mind_as_well"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Are Atheists Prisoners of the Mind as Well?</span></a> / <span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/taoism/comments/13zin9/lao_tzu_in_modern_society_do_your_work_then_step">Lao Tzu in Modern Society: "Do Your Work, Then Step Back"</a> / </span>
<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/132pfi/lets_identify_conspiratard_groups"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Let's identify conspiratard groups</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/13paib/rolling_jubilee_clear_debt_to_get_more_debt_why"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Rolling Jubilee - Clear Debt to get More Debt - Why this is no solution</span></a> / <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/metanarchism/comments/13r0lo/proposal_exclude_the_desteni_cult"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Proposal: Exclude the Desteni cult</span></a></span></blockquote>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After some years of denouncing capitalism and after having been denounced as communists, Desteni began promoting <a href="http://economistjourneytolife.blogspot.com/">Equal Money Capitalism</a> this year, and have set up a <a href="http://www.quora.com/EMCapitalism">Quora.com board</a> for it. 'Equal Money Capitalism' is supposed to involve 'research' into how there can or maybe possibly could or will be a transition phase as 'the current system' changes into EMS.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;">Internet Movement</span></b><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Recently an article about Desteni was published at <a href="http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desteni">Wikipedia</a> in Swedish (discussed <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4648">at the Desteni forum</a>). Editors quickly deleted it, describing Desteni in translation as 'a South African cult of some
kind' and decided content of the article did
not explain relevance of the topic. This is because for an article to be included in the Wikipedia encyclopedia
it has to reference enough independent sources to show that its topic is
worthy of attention.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Most of the independent sources
discussing Desteni are online. Usually the group has been described in terms of being a cult
(including by members of the <a href="http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?6926-Desteni-Productions-Cult">ex-Scientologists forum</a>); as Wikipedia editors in English also described it back in 2008
when
they deemed Desteni <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2008_January_28#Desteni.3F">non-notable</a>.</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><object class="BLOGGER-youtube-video" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,40,0" data-thumbnail-src="http://1.gvt0.com/vi/Tw_-GIie7lk/0.jpg" height="266" width="320"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/Tw_-GIie7lk&fs=1&source=uds"><param name="bgcolor" value="#FFFFFF" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed width="320" height="266" src="https://www.youtube.com/v/Tw_-GIie7lk&fs=1&source=uds" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonian, Anna Brix <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4648">Thomsen mentions</a> that in 2010, host of 'The Keiser Report' on the Russia Today TV channel, Max Keiser posted EMS promotional videos on his website. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/meanmclean">Dean Robinson</a> has pointed out that Keiser removed these videos after viewing Robinson's <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw_-GIie7lk" target="_blank">Max Keiser & the Money Cult</a> video (EMS is discussed from around 5 mins 30 sec). There is no record of Keiser ever
having
publicly written or voiced any comment on EMS or Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">Another thread at the Desteni forum posed the question, <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4559">Desteni: Cult or not?</a>, but it was soon locked down. The suggestion is the question should be regarded as irrelevant because they already dealt with it in YouTube videos tagged </span><span style="font-weight: normal;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/anti-human-desteni-hate-machine.html">Anti-Hate</a> </span><span style="font-weight: normal;">a while ago, and what Desteni are about is 'standing up for equality'. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;">Bernard Poolman wrote in his blog that Desteni is <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/11/day-220-greatest-cult-in-history.html">the BEST CULT ever</a>. But Poolman's 'desteni' has only ever been referred to as a <a href="http://ronaldodelosmuertos.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/is-desteni-a-mind-control-cult">cult</a>, </span><span style="font-weight: normal;">which is an authoritarian, hierarchical
group that views outsiders as corrupt and itself as having the monopoly on the truth. No cult can represent equality.</span></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Terri Kirchner, a contributor to Wide Base UK, an 'activist multimedia
foundation' for 'Inclusive Political Media and Opinion Dissemination' recently described Desteni as a '"channeling" sect' and 'failed Internet movement' which created 'a minefield of disapproval' for itself. <a href="http://widebase.co.uk/index2.html">She wrote</a>:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">
</span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni imagines converting the entire
world to its cause but appears to be too bizarre to recruit anyone
beyond the most mentally unstable and impressionable people living
out their lives on YouTube.</span></i><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Anna Brix Thomsen <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4648">states</a> that it is more than just internet-based. Yet in communicating its message to the public 'desteni' only ever uses the internet, and in a very limited way.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;">Where's the Message?</span></b><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians often suggest that anyone who criticises
EMS is therefore living in fear, protecting their money, opposed to equality and 'supporting the current system'; that
only
Desteni can <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHkmrzZ8iKk">save the world</a>, and otherwise <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxARMlyJwg4">humanity will be destroyed</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians very rarely try to develop ideas in creative discussion with other people not in their group. They tend to ban or block anyone with a different point of view. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Although its message is supposed to deal with 'practical solutions' there is no evidence that the Desteni organisation has helped practically solve any issues of equality or equal rights for anyone anywhere, or that it is attempting to do so.</span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians do not put EMS up for discussion at political web forums. No articles on EMS get published or reviewed on political or social justice websites.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians travel to South Africa for working holidays at the Desteni farm but no-one who lives at that farm travels anywhere to spread the message of Desteni or EMS.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'Desteni' does not try to get the attention of news media or on TV with its <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch0s_G2cO1A">equality message</a>. Bernard Poolman states that the group needs more financial support before it can do that. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">They'd only have to do or say something that was newsworthy... But Destonians have never issued any press releases,
given radio interviews or tried to get articles on EMS published in newspapers or magazines.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni does not even hold public meetings or events anywhere.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxNxRINEMynMLA1AMQkWJCf0UORqNt9QMrTK-1a2ueRMpgEYkD2zaNIRLqqb2LPeR3tu_uc2XyhAHbvaM56pau3hubFIZA5KsUqk3Jo30X5kuEx8hGVsrpO-TAtowyWQwYZmmwbAicQx4/s1600/equal_rights.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjxNxRINEMynMLA1AMQkWJCf0UORqNt9QMrTK-1a2ueRMpgEYkD2zaNIRLqqb2LPeR3tu_uc2XyhAHbvaM56pau3hubFIZA5KsUqk3Jo30X5kuEx8hGVsrpO-TAtowyWQwYZmmwbAicQx4/s1600/equal_rights.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equality organisations</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There are organisations, political movements and groups all around the world standing up for equality. Several of them regularly appear in news media. Many actively campaign for alternatives
to capitalism, and try to create them. Some of these groups may be a 'threat to the current system', while others are official organisations protecting laws regarding equality and equal rights.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">But Desteni does not try to enter a dialogue, share ideas
or show solidarity with any such movements, groups or organisations.</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni has never tried to discuss EMS
in public with any of the film-makers, researchers, authors and mainstream and radical politicians and political commentators with equality as the main focus of their agenda.</span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians often reference other people's
film documentaries, studies and research in their blogs and videos in order to promote EMS. But none of these documentary film-makers, researchers, or indeed any independent sources, have ever given an explanation of how Desteni or EMS are valid or useful in terms of equality, equal rights, politics, economics or social justice.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Not even anyone at the <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44005">David Icke forum</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/UmLvLD3Pz7k?feature=player_embedded' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Instead of showing only a static image, if Bernard Poolman was to appear publicly in videos talking to camera and engaging an audience that way, as do his followers, the Destonians, it would of course help bring the message of Desteni and EMS to more people.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">As she is the 'portal' of Desteni, Sunette Spies <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=4365&start=20#p34932">explains in detail</a> the message of EMS and the Desteni 'process'. No new public videos
of Spies talking to camera have been released for quite some time, but if they were, again it would certainly bring word of EMS to more people.</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It seems that the Desteni group are
deliberately restricting public communication of their so-called message of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/01/desteni-doomed-part-6-equality-lie.html">equality</a> by confining it to webpages run only by recruits, while the two main spokespersons are keeping a low profile.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;">The Tools</span></b></div>
</div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The potential or actual Desteni recruits tend to be people willing to talk about their private personal concerns with strangers on the internet. They often admit they have social, psychological and/or health or drug <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,110312#msg-110312" target="_blank">problems</a> or that they've been diagnosed mentally ill, and they are most usually <a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/7908.html">into New Age philosophies and conspiracy theories</a>.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikLovuCozcpU4iJ-Ndn11gzW7eca7jezkQ8pJym6qD71Vu9grtrycUfPLu6REf0Hyi_u727GDqcXl7V_Rrg1j7zH_nYVaVWpTPrg5cIxu9Id4jI4444-v26Nw4DkbaiAKc7H8wzxeedhU/s1600/self-help_.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEikLovuCozcpU4iJ-Ndn11gzW7eca7jezkQ8pJym6qD71Vu9grtrycUfPLu6REf0Hyi_u727GDqcXl7V_Rrg1j7zH_nYVaVWpTPrg5cIxu9Id4jI4444-v26Nw4DkbaiAKc7H8wzxeedhU/s1600/self-help_.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Self-help publications</span></div>
</td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni recommends some well-known, widely-used self-help
techniques. <a href="http://healing.about.com/od/breathwork/a/consciousbreath.htm">Breath awareness</a>, <a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dont-delay/200903/self-forgiveness-reduces-procrastination">self-forgiveness</a> or <a href="http://www.stevenaitchison.co.uk/blog/a-new-habit">giving up addictions in 21 days</a> can of course be freely practiced by anyone without joining any group but these and similar techniques are represented by Desteni as if they are 'the Desteni tools'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In the practice of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a>, recruits provide detailed personal information as public testimonials to advertise Desteni commercial products. They use news items and data about political corruption, abuse or
injustice to advertise EMS and sale of Desteni products, which they say will lead to the end of 'the current system', and bring 'world equality'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Destonians look for personal advice and the Desteni group offers it, sometimes in the guise of a 'reptilian' they say created human beings: <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=76">Anu</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">They are instructed in 'Structural Resonance Alignment' involving the practice of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_kinesiology">Applied Kinesiology</a> ('muscle communication'). They propose that in the Equal Money System
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-hIR8lenaU" target="_blank">homeopathy</a> will be 'the primary medicinal health support that
will be used as it will support the body at the level of equality'.
They recommend the practices of the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFrR7TjbINQ">Burzynski Clinic</a>... </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">And so it goes on... Desteni states it provides 'education', and suggests or implies its members can, for example, give advice to parents, or help treat anorexia, schizophrenia or alcoholism. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni 'educational' courses have never been recognised or approved by any
independent, official or non-official organisation, and no member of the group is qualified or experienced to give out advice on psychological, health, drugs or social
matters.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Although they claim to be <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sUMj-YVqoI" target="_blank">opposed to charity</a>, Destonians request charitable donations for research into plant, animal and human life, and apart from the fact that they do not say how their 'research' is carried out, they have no professional background in the sciences. EMS is said to be political yet none of the group show that they have ever had any real involvement or experience in
political activities.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">All of this is clear from an investigation of the material published by Desteni and the Destonians.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Any reasonably well-informed member of the public can (not by reading this blog but the Desteni websites) see that 'Desteni' is a commercial scheme that recruits individuals into the buying and selling of products, the content of which has been recycled out of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html">related material</a> found in religious cults, New Age philosophy, self-help, quack medicine, occultism and conspiracy theories. Promotion of 'equal money system' is just a way of persuading people to pay and work for the 'Desteni' business as unpaid volunteers.</span></div>
</div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<b><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;">Research & Investigation</span></b><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Inevitably, it will become clear for
some of those currently involved in Desteni that they have been misled. Several ex-supporters have already <a href="http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,109681#msg-109681">spoken out</a>. Others could at any time reveal more about what goes on behind the scenes.</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni condemns the family and <a href="http://blazprocess.blogspot.com/2013/01/day-50-hiding-behind-friendships.html">friendships</a>. Concerned friends
and relatives have already made strong
objections and could take decisive action.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042" target="_blank">Cult Education Forum</a> and other sources have shown that some of the business practices of Desteni may possibly be verging on illegality. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Donations and payments made to Desteni
go to the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-life-foundation-npo-for-equal.html">Equal Life Foundation</a>, which is registered as a non-profit
company yet it seems only to exist to take donations and manage
profits made out of sale of Desteni products.</span></div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni could easily become the subject of more <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/phantom-of-okahandja.html">reports</a> in mainstream media such as occurred with South African newspapers, <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=106" target="_blank">Sondag</a> in 2011 and Rapport in 2009 (see <a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Buitelanders-stroom-glo-na-SA-kultus-se-plaas-20091114">this link</a> <a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Piet-Retief-was-in-my-lyf-20091121">and</a> <a href="http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Op-die-plaas-word-met-demone-gepraat-20091121">that</a>) -- or in the alternative media.</span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Desteni group is surely aware that if it raises its public profile and spread its message further afield it is likely its activities will be researched and investigated by more far-reaching independent sources than this blog, the <a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/">Destenigossip</a> blog,
the
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/antidestenimovement">Anti-Desteni Movement</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/XfinksX">XfinksX</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/0rdoTempliAurora">0rdoTempliAurora</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Istenenergia">Istenenergia</a>, <a href="http://mariobrotha.blogspot.com/">MarioBrotha</a>,
the <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042" target="_blank">Cult Education Forum</a>,
the <a href="http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forums/forum/desteni">Skeptic Project</a> and the numerous other <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html">forums</a>, blogs,
YouTube channels,
websites and videos
which
have criticised the cult over the past
five years.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/desteni-material-banned-by-web-host.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni material banned by web host</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/hitler-forgiving-cult-self-censor.html">Hitler-Forgiving Cult Self-Censor</a>
</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/desteni-wikipedia-non-notable-website.html">Desteni Wikipedia: non-notable website, vandalism, brainwashing cult</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/desteni-spam-reddit-with-lies.html">Destonian Spams Reddit with Lies</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html">New Age Occultism of Desteni Equal Money System</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/desteni-discussions.html">Desteni Discussions</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-24080748575435228512013-01-05T21:09:00.000-05:002016-09-06T17:37:46.454-04:00The Equality Lie - Desteni Doomed - 6<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">(continued from </span><b><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html">Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">2: Cult Awareness</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/11/cultish-behaviour-patterns-desteni.html">3: Cultish Behaviour Patterns</a></span></b><span style="font-size: x-small;"> / 4: <b><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html">Related Material Elsewhere</a></b> / 5: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-part-5-best-cult-ever.html"><b>The Best Cult EVER?</b></a>)</span>
</span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: normal;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-weight: normal;">Th</span>e
various abuses of the word, 'equality' by the cult of Desteni are in order to make the
group appear socially or politically relevant. In studies of cults it's what's known as <a href="http://www.culteducation.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing19.html#Loading the Language" target="_blank">loading the language</a>, designed to deceive the public and control potential or actual cult members. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Desteni organisation is not a collective or co-operative that runs according to principles of equality. It is a small capitalist business that offers a multi-level marketing scheme. The customers don't just purchase or consume Desteni products. They work for no pay by marketing products on a daily basis. 'Destonians' do not own or manage resources of the organisation. They do not define its
ideas, methods, practices or policies. Bernard Poolman decides on everything, along with Sunette Spies and the Desteni elite inner circle, all of whom are under the authoritarian dictatorship
of Poolman. Rank and
file Destonians just obey, copy and repeat.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3ODNJfE8puayWm_Mw9NGKtEdlk-3Mf96HPRdSjllFi3jXln33X1PQhUXb0E0Xb_rDGQGUeOX18e0Aj2dSxVQ84f2RVd2pZZc6ShMAQ1jtYqz27aXl8z8Xh-RVLMvOYT7TOknW6HeWOA4/s1600/social.engineering.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg3ODNJfE8puayWm_Mw9NGKtEdlk-3Mf96HPRdSjllFi3jXln33X1PQhUXb0E0Xb_rDGQGUeOX18e0Aj2dSxVQ84f2RVd2pZZc6ShMAQ1jtYqz27aXl8z8Xh-RVLMvOYT7TOknW6HeWOA4/s1600/social.engineering.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Self-forgiveness = social engineering
</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'Self-forgiveness' is as Bernard
Poolman suggests in his YouTube and Twitter account descriptions, a
type of social engineering. One of the prime websites on the subject,
<a href="http://social-engineer.org/">social-engineer.org</a> defines
social engineering as:
</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">the act of manipulating a person to
accomplish goals that may or may not be in the “target’s” best
interest. This may include obtaining information, gaining access, or
getting the target to take certain action. </span></i></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Self-forgiveness as it is used within the context of Desteni
is a cliché of religion: that being, you are inherently evil and must
confess your sins to the church to redeem yourself, save the
world and get to heaven. </span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">The
Destonians confess</span> personal concerns or problems in public on
the Internet and privately via Skype, email etc to their assigned
'buddies' in the <a href="http://youtu.be/y2R2bkl2P3A">pseudo-religion</a>, the church of Desteni. They make promotional blogs and
videos, join the Desteni Income Process and become salespersons for the Desteni business. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">With the so-called
'tools' of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a> and 'self-correction' Destonians' thoughts and behaviour
are recorded. They are targeted, monitored and instructed by the more dominant
higher ups in the Desteni hierarchy. 'Self-forgiveness' allows
Desteni to keep tabs on Destonians, find out what makes them tick and
oversee their indoctrination in detail. T<span style="font-weight: normal;">he real tools of
Desteni are the Destonians. </span></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equality entails diversity and inclusion but <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/Diversity">Destonians say diversity is a problem</a><span style="font-weight: normal;">. </span>They admit they are<span style="font-weight: normal;"> opposed to freedom of expression. They </span>ban any outsider who dares to debate, criticise or question their ideas, which are that Bernard Poolman and Sunette Spies know the ultimate truth about everything. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni do not concern themselves with civil rights
issues and take no stand against racism. There
is not one black South African in the group. They have nothing to say at all on equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual or
transgendered people. Destonians' few <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91QRdmlyrYU">remarks on equality of women</a> contain less<span style="font-weight: normal;"> insight into sexism or feminism than an issue of
'Cosmopolitan'</span> magazine. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni show no support for
disadvantaged social or ethnic groups, cultures or nations. In several statements
made in texts and videos such as 'The Jew in Every Man is a Zionist' <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/hitler-forgiving-cult-self-censor.html">Mr Poolman has clearly shown himself</a> to be anti-Jewish. He <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjrpt7_Kj7g">promotes the forgiveness of Adolf Hitler</a>. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8n_P8tadfhU9qE1rD_aUQ9knY9KfBJttmMtqLDI-RxXGG3s9eZde_TaQeT5RbEJIFq1F89tyA8N_rwP599KVnpYz57cjUJir4ciBBFOUWJ4X3-siu06eeZZ9E3GiM4o-J504E5cY_6io/s1600/Desteni_Eugenics.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi8n_P8tadfhU9qE1rD_aUQ9knY9KfBJttmMtqLDI-RxXGG3s9eZde_TaQeT5RbEJIFq1F89tyA8N_rwP599KVnpYz57cjUJir4ciBBFOUWJ4X3-siu06eeZZ9E3GiM4o-J504E5cY_6io/s1600/Desteni_Eugenics.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Eugenics propaganda (from <a href="http://www.iupui.edu/~eugenics/index.htm">Indiana Eugenics History & Legacy</a>)</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians advocate a revival of the discredited <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-money-system-final-solution.html">eugenics</a> movement. They see eugenics as 'Best for All'.
Citing Hitler's 'Mein Kampf' as a reliable source, Destoni<span style="font-weight: normal;">an
</span><a href="http://marlenvargasdelrazo.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/eugenics-is-best-for-all-life-in-equality" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight: normal;">Marlen Vargas Del Razo</span> calls for</a> the sterilization of disabled
people and 'certain races'.</span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni run a farm, an online multi-level marketing scheme and a business selling over-priced software (<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html">Techno Tutor</a>), but they are not involved in activities which have any practical or useful meaning in terms of equality, politics or society.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians propose a future authoritarian technocracy, an over-arching, all-encompassing 'system' which is somehow to be 'implemented' by people 'joining Desteni' for 'equal money'. They do not practice alternative forms of ownership, production or finance but merely complain about social conditions or conventions and repeat catch phrases about their abstract, non-existent 'system' on the Internet.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In political terms, Desteni is a communo-fascist, totalitarian, sectarian organisation. Yet it does not present any challenge to the neoliberal corporate status quo. Destonians are statists. They recommend conforming to 'the
system' in order to make money to give to Desteni in the vain hope that one day they
will 'become the system' and the one world state power.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/04/does-desteni-equality-equality.html">Destonians have almost nothing to say about</a> the work of the many organisations or individuals around the
world that actively support and work towards social and political equality. Although they claim to support the <a href="http://www.basicincome.org/bien/">Basic Income</a> no Destonian is involved in the real Basic Income campaign. They are opposed to both <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t35ogyti1so">the Occupy Movement</a> and <a href="http://commonsense4worldequality.wordpress.com/2011/09/25/we-are-anonymous-and-separating-ourselves-from-life/">Anonymous</a>. </span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Their 'equal money system' (EMS) is web-based media: subliterate texts and inarticulate YouTube videos. These serve as cheap adverts for Desteni
'Best for All' products and merchandise, and online courses in 'self-mastery'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">EMS is a scam designed to make it look
like Desteni is running a social justice or political campaign for human rights when it is a private commercial business and has no involvement in equal rights, social justice or politics whatsoever.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Videos such as <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Q3jTmKec8">Constitutional Equality and Voting in and Equal Money System - Economist JTL</a> or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D9LQ1jJ4Ew">Politics in an Equal Money System – Introduction</a> are made up of
nonsensical statements and statements of the obvious; meaningless or sentimental
sloganeering. They display complete ignorance of issues of equality, and a woefully misguided, warped idealism that bears no relation to the real world.</span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://equalmoney.org/wiki">Equal Money Wiki</a> is comprised of
crude descriptions of a fantasy about an ultra-efficient authoritarian world 'system' run according to Desteni dogma. It is full of wishy-washy platitudes and meaningless abstractions such as: </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><i>Within an Equal Money System, the
point of having ‘equal money’ is to assist with the psychological
harmonization of the human into a harmonious character that no longer
lives in fear of his own survival, but lives as Life, gives as Life
and receives as Life – equally.</i> ...and... <i>our interaction with nature will
change, where we are not just ‘enjoyers’ of nature, where we no
longer merely sit back and ‘enjoy the view’ – but where we are
active participants – identifying where nature is struggling to
maintain itself and step in with rehabilitative programs and projects
– and thus, become a part of the flows of give and receive.</i></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://newsletter.desteni.org/letters">Desteni and Equal Money Newsletters</a> do not provide news about the progress of a political or social justice movement as it
impacts upon the wider society. It is made up of a list of links to Destonians' blogs with all the usual 'equal money' promotional slogans and
verbiage, plus a few 'Shopping Recommendations'.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://destenifarmvisitors.blogspot.com/">Desteni Farm Visitors blog</a> does not describe a community that operates an actual 'equal money system'. It does not say how they are
helping to establish social equality for anyone. It presents testimonials to advertise the sale of working holidays
at the Desteni farm in South Africa. The community there apparently
exists entirely to serve its own interests, which are in isolation from any other
communities and disengaged from practical issues of equality
in any local or global political situations.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni members have often said they are <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/05/day-39-is-charity-greed.html">opposed to charity</a> yet
constantly make appeals to charitable emotion by requesting donations
for EMS by stating it is the 'solution' to starvation and
poverty. It is all under the heading of the
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/equal-life-foundation-npo-for-equal.html">Equal Life Foundation</a>, an organisation registered as a 'non-profit
company' but which is purely to make profit for the Desteni business.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After EMS was launched three
or more years ago and promoted with hundreds if not thousands of videos, the <a href="http://www.equalmoney.org/forum">Equal Money System forum</a> has very
few posts per week and almost no threads with any sustained discussion. There are
currently only 263 members, very few of whom ever take part. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There is such little interest in EMS undoubtedly because it is so obviously just an online money-making scam. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">'Equal Money System' lures a few naive people in to imagining they can change the world for the better by giving all their money to Desteni while the money only ever goes towards maintaining the Desteni founders' lifestyle.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">There is no evidence that any member of
Desteni or any Destonian is even attempting to bring about equality.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni and Destonians only make references to 'equality' to seem worthy or important, so that they can market and sell the absurd <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">reptilian channeling</a> New Age occult hocus pocus which is the core part of their business. This is shown in, for example, Sunette
Spies' video, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixCSaQIL-F0">2013 - The Future of Consciousness</a> in which she rambles on in an affected manner about 'demon dimensions', reptilians,
'personality systems', 'mind demons' to try to sell more of
the same useless drivel, none of which has the slightest relevance to any issue of equality, and is of no relevance to the matter of consciousness either. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-weight: normal;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-weight: normal;">But as self-confessed leader of 'the best cult ever', Bernard <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/11/day-220-greatest-cult-in-history.html">Poolman admits</a>, Desteni is a 'MONEY Cult'.</span> As such it is based around the promotion and sale of Poolman and his followers' lunatic beliefs and opinions.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Poolman actively encourages his 'Destonians' to be suspicious of their friends and family and to regard anyone else not in Desteni as scapegoats for all the 'evil' in the world. In one of his many <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/desteni-preacher-of-hate-bernard.html">misanthropic</a> lectures called <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGTULVc4HKA">How Does Self-Forgiveness Work, and How Do I Know When My Self-Forgiveness Is Effective?</a> Poolman states:</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal money is not there to help the human. The human is in essence really something that cannot be trusted and must be eradicated at all costs.</span></i></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Needless to say, Desteni can't eradicate the human, and a world of equality with no poverty or starvation and a guaranteed income, food, shelter, clothing
and education for all will never come about by making blogs or v-logs or taking holidays on a farm.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equality is not about
forgiving oneself for having thoughts, signing up for online courses in 'self-mastery' or trying to
sell macabre recordings of a woman pretending to be 'interviewed' as a <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">reptilian</a>,
an <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/08/sunette-spies-channels-owl-and-quantum.html">owl</a>, a sheep or an inhabitant of the lost continent of Atlantis.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equality in Desteni is a lie.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: large;">Desteni Doomed 7 - <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/public-consequences-desteni-doomed-7.html" target="_blank">Public Consequences</a> </span><i><br /></i>
</span></div>
</div>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="font-weight: 400; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b><b>:</b><b><br /></b><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/desteni-agenda.html">The Desteni Agenda</a></span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/equality-and-oneness-of-desteni.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The Equality and Oneness of Desteni</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/equality-on-this-world.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equality on this World</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/desteni-preacher-of-hate-bernard.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/desteni-endgame.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni ENDGAME</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/desteni-equality-its-kinda-magic.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni equality: It’s a Kinda Magic!</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/12/desteni-anti-matrix-hitlers-zion.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni anti-Matrix, Hitler’s Zion</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/does-desteni-equality-equality.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Does Desteni Equality = Equality?</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/equal-money-system-final-solution.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Equal Money System Final Solution: Eugenics</span></a><b><br /></b></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-79504091508901648972012-12-22T06:19:00.000-05:002016-09-06T17:34:09.139-04:00The Best Cult EVER? - Desteni Doomed - 5 <div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">(continued from </span><b><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html">Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">2: Cult Awareness</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/11/cultish-behaviour-patterns-desteni.html">3: Cultish Behaviour Patterns</a></span></b><span style="font-size: x-small;"> / 4: <b><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html">Related Material Elsewhere</a></b></span>)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Since 2007, the 'group of people exploring Equality & Oneness principles' known as Desteni, based on a remote farm in South Africa, has usually been described as a cult. Although many of the 'Destonians' have
denied that they belong to a cult.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Their leader has contradicted
them.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In his blog post of 20th Nov 2012 entitled, <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/11/day-220-greatest-cult-in-history.html">The Greatest Cult in History</a>, Bernard Poolman writes: 'We at Desteni claim and ASSERT
that we Are the BEST CULT ever'. He claims and asserts that he is the world's
greatest cult leader, second only to God or Jesus. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">According to Poolman, all groups are cults,
which is like saying a cult is a book club or a bunch of people standing in line waiting for a bus.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In terms of so-called cult
'greatness', the Unification Church AKA <a href="http://unificationnews.com/">the Moonies</a>, the Latter Day
Saint movement AKA <a href="http://mormon.org/">the Mormons</a>, the <a href="http://www.scientology.org/">Church of Scientology</a> and the
<a href="http://www.jw.org/">Jehovah's Witnesses</a> are amongst 'the greatest', running vast corporate empires.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni is just one of hundreds of obscure crackpot cults most people have never heard of.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpNcOScjdFjD5frri2XgElhQlJOXSj0Lto1Ogzz09qEPwh0fnNhoFiYT0DdOj_28Zvgv-N7hvvpY72xbgpagp5rMkSKN_5lSl_2KOmLuD01pNG1SRWEJZeewyBzNlFgCttoYDiU6VRaYo/s1600/cult.leaders.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgpNcOScjdFjD5frri2XgElhQlJOXSj0Lto1Ogzz09qEPwh0fnNhoFiYT0DdOj_28Zvgv-N7hvvpY72xbgpagp5rMkSKN_5lSl_2KOmLuD01pNG1SRWEJZeewyBzNlFgCttoYDiU6VRaYo/s1600/cult.leaders.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Cult leaders: David Koresh, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhaite, Shoko Asahara</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If Desteni has a place in history then
it can only be because it is in past. However, Poolman could be a 'great' or even 'the BEST' cult leader of recent times if he followed
the example of the infamous leaders of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)">Heaven's Gate</a>, the <a href="http://life.time.com/history/manson-family-scenes-from-the-bottomless-pit">Manson Family</a>, the
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege">Branch Davidians</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo">Aum Shinrikyo</a> or the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7IxGGfpSWk">People's Temple</a>, but we can only hope Destonians don't have it in them to
take things that far.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Poolman claims Desteni is
'the BEST CULT ever' because according to him it is the only group in
the world that stands for equality. But no actual cult can
represent equality. By definition, any group that is a cult maintains
inequality amongst its members and does not treat other people as
equals. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a cult.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Poolman's claim that Desteni represents equality is false.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Desteni Doomed - 6</b>: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2013/01/desteni-doomed-part-6-equality-lie.html">The Equality Lie</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/destenis-new-age-guru.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni's New Age Guru</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/desteni-preacher-of-hate-bernard.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/new-beast-of-revelation.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The New Beast of Revelation?</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/phantom-of-okahandja.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Phantom of Okahandja</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</span></a></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-45013132143906985492012-12-13T04:50:00.001-05:002016-09-06T17:33:22.889-04:00Related Material Elsewhere - Desteni Doomed - 4<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">(continued from </span><b><span style="font-size: x-small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html">Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">2: Cult Awareness</a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/11/cultish-behaviour-patterns-desteni.html">3: Cultish Behaviour Patterns</a></span></b><span style="font-size: x-small;">)</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span>Under the heading, 'Related Material Elsewhere', at the <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/">Destonian Wiki</a> there is a link to
an article from the Pacific Neuropsychiatric Institute, <a href="http://www.pni.org/neuropsychiatry/medicine/scientific/paraimp.html">Why parapsychology is amongst the most important of the sciences.</a> Yet the Desteni group have for several
years condemned psychiatry. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Although some poor fools might regard the Sunette Spies <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">'portal' idiot test</a> as a para-psychological phenomenon, Destonians are not involved in
parapsychology but rather fixated on
New Age
self-help
pop psychology: affirmations of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRqxJdoCz_ibBfVZXWOpFJyAarNXCKLCh6mExvh7U-xm_o9TPDafeyA4PUAjmKIdYKtzlDhOAvMAppqbLvzviFL-e6rsICtYXG5IugGnsB_VxgRh1BxsfzaDsKZWzq4BIHpQJQqOJ_2Uk/s1600/hqdefault.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhRqxJdoCz_ibBfVZXWOpFJyAarNXCKLCh6mExvh7U-xm_o9TPDafeyA4PUAjmKIdYKtzlDhOAvMAppqbLvzviFL-e6rsICtYXG5IugGnsB_VxgRh1BxsfzaDsKZWzq4BIHpQJQqOJ_2Uk/s1600/hqdefault.jpg" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Screenshot of 'Derren Brown: Messiah'</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni founder, Bernard Poolman <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/11/day-221-talking-to-dead-adc-part-68.html">recommends</a> a viewing of the Channel 4 TV programme, <a href="http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derren-brown-the-specials/episode-guide/series-30/episode-1">Derren Brown: Messiah</a> because it shows how some people can be duped
by parapsychology, Christianity, Spiritualism and the New Age. Yet at the same time, Poolman blatantly contradicts himself. He is always <a href="http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/2012/11/day-224-does-god-exist-in-afterlife.html">discussing</a> silly stories about 'the opening of the portal',
meeting
demons in the afterlife, talking with the dead etc, as if they were factual or something other than a way to dupe his 'Destonians'.</span><br />
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">By persuading them to accept his superstitious tales of the occult as the ultimate truth while he denounces other people's as
fake, Poolman pushes his Destonians as far as possible to test their credulity to the limits.
It's another <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">idiot test</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">They take the bait and demonstrate how gullible they are by regularly releasing their own videos and blogs criticising New Age spiritual teachers while promoting the Desteni version of New Age spirituality. For example, recent
responses to a video from a self-appointed 'spiritual
catalyst' (called <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB3ScXPVi0M">Ask Teal, How to Raise Your Frequency</a>), such as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n19O1p-_rTc">How to Raise your Frequency (Ask Teal Episode on Increasing your Vibration)</a>, or one of several on Eckhart Tolle, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OjU9MyD5m0">2012 Debunking Eckhart Tolle</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">They're hypocrites. Desteni and Destonians' attempt to criticise New Age spirituality is a sham.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni promote
the most stereotypical New Age doctrine: such as that there is no
distinction between self and other, 'we are all one', what you think
you create, the mind is an illusion, everything that happens to a person is a
reflection of 'self', and so on. They say 'positive thinking' is useless and 'stopping the mind' is what's required. As most people are aware, stopping the mind is just as much
a cliché of New Age cults as positive thinking.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Destonians talk a lot about
breath, and breath and breathing exercises are of course integral to several different forms of spirituality. They often chat about how 'backchat' stops them from 'stopping the mind'. Their 'backchat' is just another version of what's known as 'mind chatter' (of the 'monkey mind') in
Buddhism; as appropriated by New Age spirituality. </span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Mother of the New Age Movement, Helena P. Blavatsky wrote back in the
19<sup>th</sup> Century: 'The Mind
is the great Slayer of the Real. Let the Disciple Slay the Slayer'
(<a href="http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/voice/voice.htm">The Voice of the Silence</a> by H. P. Blavatsky Theosophical University Press, 1889). </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">T<span style="color: black;">he</span><span style="color: black;"> main concept of the New Age </span>
<span style="color: black;">Movement is, like Desteni's Equal Money System (EMS), </span><span style="color: black;">a proposed future transformation of the world in which all injustices are put right and world peace </span>
<span style="color: black;">and 'heaven on earth' </span><span style="color: black;">are the result of universal 'self-realisation'</span>. </span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2MDi9m0Pd2ACT9Tvel_vzG3icP8kwTl80GM65myKScXQjD_5K8IDrAp-WItfdlxzb9igmPw91GT3boNX-L8sgh9NJAnui141jN4A7LTuRkLuUobmDORjyaw-5IPZ3SBszjenN50YTVeY/s1600/ramtha2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg2MDi9m0Pd2ACT9Tvel_vzG3icP8kwTl80GM65myKScXQjD_5K8IDrAp-WItfdlxzb9igmPw91GT3boNX-L8sgh9NJAnui141jN4A7LTuRkLuUobmDORjyaw-5IPZ3SBszjenN50YTVeY/s400/ramtha2.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">J. Z. Knight, New Age channeler of <a href="http://www.american-buddha.com/ramthaschoolflapdoodle.htm">Ramtha's School of Quantum Flapdoodle</a></span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Like many proponents of New Age
spirituality, from master of woo, Deepak Chopra to Judy Z.
Knight's cult of <a href="http://enlightenmefree.com/index.html">Ramtha</a> and the propaganda movie, 'What the Bleep Do We Know?!', Destonians' <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism">pseudoscientific use</a> of the term, 'quantum' or 'quantum mind' is to make it sound like they know something about quantum mechanics and that their bogus research has scientific validity.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Poolman has said that the Galactic Federation of Light is controlled by <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">reptilians</a> when it is
an absurd sci-fi myth concocted by UFO New Age religious cults. But in Poolman's bizarre, ripped-off mythology, David Icke's reptilians
have become advocates of Desteni. Via 'the portal', <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewforum.php?f=76">Destonians regularly consult Anu</a>, said to be lizard supremo, for advice on health or personal
issues. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="font-weight: normal; margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">When they criticise, mock or satirise New Agers it is never quite engaging in 'Internet Bullying, Propagation of Lies, Individual
Harassment', scamming or <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/08/desteni-hoax-theory.html">hoaxing</a>, which is how they have described their own critics' statements. It is proselytising to
try to convert and recruit those few persons that might possibly take them seriously: politically ignorant, ill-informed and naive New Ager conspiracy theorists.</span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni have stated that New Age spiritual
groups always appeal to self-interest. Actually, many such cults, new religious movements or 'teachings' directly appeal to and promote
self-abnegation for a fanciful cause which they always say is
best for everyone and better than anything else; again just like Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">A lot of these other groups have
slick publicity and a smooth and co-ordinated, dynamic global outreach. Desteni <span style="color: black;">material, however, is comprised of extraordinarily clumsy, amateurish, solely
web-based audio-visual media and utterly inept written presentations. Their</span> exercises in social engineering are confined to a remote farm in South Africa from where they spam the Internet to lure in people compliant enough to help them <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/marketing-desteni-lifestyle-with-equal.html">market the Desteni 'lifestyle'</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-VVWYxy_g38oO69C6W0PpuIWQepBDZLSrh63iaQQE6vsRRG5GFS5YTrFtDJI9hfsCho49ogddvuuUzMrGQBpSldLVv1TIn-n4_QYwposnod6XrvPQFuIUEyJIAQy_JR1OzV9vOVfuO28/s1600/consumerism.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="314" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg-VVWYxy_g38oO69C6W0PpuIWQepBDZLSrh63iaQQE6vsRRG5GFS5YTrFtDJI9hfsCho49ogddvuuUzMrGQBpSldLVv1TIn-n4_QYwposnod6XrvPQFuIUEyJIAQy_JR1OzV9vOVfuO28/s320/consumerism.jpg" width="320" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/eqafe-blues.html">Eqafe</a> 'Self-Perfection' Products: buy now while stocks last</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> <span style="color: black;"><br /></span>
<span style="color: black;">Desteni
state the obvious by pointing out that consumer capitalism involves brainwashing. Of course, ridding oneself of social and cultural influences and conditioning to attain 'self-realisation' has always been an integral part of New Age and Eastern spirituality and Western occultism. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><br /></span>
<span style="color: black;">They</span><span style="color: black;"> suggest that to be free of brainwashing everyone should consume <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/eqafe-blues.html">Desteni-branded products</a>, buy into an online multi-level marketing scheme, 'master'
themselves according to instructions of the Desteni</span><span style="color: black;"> I Process (DIP), </span>become commodities and call themselves 'Destonians', publish confessional and testimonial blogs and v-logs <span style="color: black;">and promote the sale of trash <a href="http://www.equality-store.com/">merchandise</a> like hoodies, ringtones or baseball caps. In other words, become brainwashed by Desteni.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Their marketing techniques are unethical and worse than
sub-standard.
Desteni is a <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/marketing-desteni-lifestyle-with-equal.html">capitalist scam</a> just like any other New Age commercial scam. The Desteni 'Best For All' brand is not an antidote to
consumer capitalist brainwashing but a symptom of it.
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni supporters fly across the globe and pay out for working holidays at the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/desteni.ranch">Desteni cult farm</a>, yet none of Poolman's core group travel anywhere to spread the word. There have never been any Desteni meetings or talks open to the general public, not even in South Africa.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Apart from an offshoot business targeting children with over-priced software called <a href="http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,62042,111862#msg-111862">Techno Tutor</a> (which is apparently the same software Bernard Poolman <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,87633#msg-87633" target="_blank">allegedly stole</a> from his brother), based in Houston, Texas, USA
and possibly in Canada, Desteni have not established
functioning centres anywhere outside South Africa. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNJ8YPt_H4zGsH_-WKFXXcb2VhAgsX_Ey4czZuQEE9ZsoO5O59qjZE7mGGM8G595SbuXYF-fpqCaKGUikLYi_WBjyUaFn7NjK97jh6PKWplxjOuxjaE2bPcVAmpYzuIF3yAc-wFFq4D3A/s1600/Desteni-Wikipedia.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="303" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNJ8YPt_H4zGsH_-WKFXXcb2VhAgsX_Ey4czZuQEE9ZsoO5O59qjZE7mGGM8G595SbuXYF-fpqCaKGUikLYi_WBjyUaFn7NjK97jh6PKWplxjOuxjaE2bPcVAmpYzuIF3yAc-wFFq4D3A/s400/Desteni-Wikipedia.JPG" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/desteni-wikipedia-non-notable-website.html">Wikipedia</a></span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni are not in <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZcqo2kAas">Wikipedia</a> and neither is EMS. Desteni are deemed by Wikipedia to be non-notable.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Destonians have been <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/desteni-spam-reddit-with-lies.html">spamming Reddit</a> for several months but get almost no response from anyone else and not even from each other. Their presence on Facebook is that
they are in danger of being banned for abusing the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/desteni-abuse-facebooks-rights.html">Facebook Statement of Rights and Responsibilities</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There are no Desteni paper books or audio-visual media
in the physical shops. There is no such film with anything approaching the level of production of even the most basic independent low budget films; only crappy webcam or mobile phone YouTube promo videos.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">They claim to be political and for world equality but there is <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/equal-money-system-spreading-faq.html">no evidence for it whatsoever</a>.
EMS is a con designed to raise money to support the lifestyle of people at the Desteni farm. <span style="color: black;">All they offer</span> is <span style="color: black;">a shoddily repackaged
mish-mash </span>of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html">New Age spiritual/occult</a> and conspiracy theory drivel which they <span style="color: black;">pass off as 'equality'.</span> The information
supplied by Desteni is obviously a rip-off and can be found in more coherent forms elsewhere (even if fraudulent or delusional). <span style="color: black;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Any potential recruit or 'Destonian' would have
to be deeply mired in the most deranged New Age spiritual
superstitions and paranoid conspiracy theories to want to <a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/7908.html">join Desteni</a>. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Only within the marginal context of the existing New Age
cultural milieu in which
aberrant fantasies about channeling, oneness, self-realisation, the 'new world order' and inter-dimensional lizards abound
could anyone suppose
that Bernard Poolman and his gang communicate a 'process' to bring about world 'equality'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">And even within that narrow context, the
appeal of the Desteni material is limited still further. Most New Agers
would be likely to regard Desteni as thoroughly immoral if not under the influence of demonic forces and conspiracy theorists would see them as mind-controlled dupes of the Illuminati...</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Desteni Doomed - 5</b>: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-part-5-best-cult-ever.html">The Best Cult EVER?</a></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/equal-money-system-spreading-faq.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Money System: spreading the FAQ?</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/marketing-desteni-lifestyle-with-equal.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Marketing the Desteni Lifestyle with Equal Money System</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">New Age Occultism of Desteni Equal Money System</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Cult of Self-Forgiveness</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</span></a></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-39205727841519446452012-11-15T10:45:00.002-05:002016-09-06T17:32:27.131-04:00Cultish Behaviour Patterns - Desteni Doomed - 3<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">(continued from <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html"><b>Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</b></a> / <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html"><b>2: Cult Awareness</b></a>)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In a recent video called <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SKNvtPNrlk">the Desteni Cult?</a> Johnathan Motz
said that he and other Destonians type 'shit'
about thoughts, emotions, feelings etc and 'what the fuck happened during our
day'; they forgive and correct themselves for all the 'shit' they have 'allowed' so as not to keep
repeating patterns, and then they 'walk' it to
change patterns. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/4SKNvtPNrlk?feature=player_embedded' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">He asks: <i>is it cultish to actually
think that writing, applying self-forgiveness, applying
self-corrective statements and walking it -- is that cultish
behaviour?</i></span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">It may be that after watching thousands of videos of Sunette Spies and passing the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">Desteni portal idiot test</a> individuals such as Motz
joined <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">the cult of self-forgiveness</a> because they imagined that the Desteni material was startlingly new, original or
even the ultimate truth.
</span><br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians fail to understand that although Desteni claims to be opposed to spirituality, the Desteni material has
in fact
only ever been
a rip-off of <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/new-age-occultism-of-desteni-equal.html">New Age occultism</a> and spirituality. It has been
fabricated out of a poorly constructed re-hash of ideas already found
in works by New Agers, mystics and occultists such as Louise Hay,
Alice A. Bailey, Paul Twitchell, David Icke, Aleister Crowley, George
I. Gurdjieff, Osho Rajneesh, Anton LaVey, Baird T. Spalding and
others.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Destonians are under the
false impression that because Desteni claims to stand for equality
then they must be doing something useful in terms of helping to bring about equality. But Desteni or Destonians are not practically engaged in any
issues of equality, equal rights,
social justice or politics whatsoever. <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/equal-money-system-spreading-faq.html">'Equality' in Desteni is just a front</a>; a slogan and a gimmick. <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/does-desteni-equality-equality.html">Desteni has nothing to do with equality</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Johnathan Motz has not addressed even one of the various
different points raised by critics of Desteni over the years. But this is to be expected. Desteni supporters have never carried out any proper research and <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">applied themselves</a> to the question of Desteni as cult.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman implies in
his Twitter and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpNh3YLhveEZj43PhJ2452Q">YouTube account</a> descriptions that Desteni is perhaps 'social engineering'. Certainly, strategies of social engineering are used all the time by scammers and cults to deceive the
public. <i>M</i><i>anipulating people into performing
actions or divulging confidential information </i>is how <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a> in Desteni works
<i> </i>(<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)</a>).</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In his video, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VpRfB_YNY">Anti Desteni Movement</a>, Poolman stated that the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/antidestenimovement">anti-Desteni movement</a>, which exposes Desteni as a cult and a scam, 'forms an integral part of
the Desteni process'. Obviously, the anti-Desteni movement is by definition against Desteni, but as Poolman admits, it can be considered a 'process' involving Desteni because it can deter people from joining the group.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Johnathan Motz's video is like every other video
or blog in which 'Destonians' have tried to deny that Desteni is a cult, such as in their 'anti-hate' videos last year. They
did so by dutifully repeating cult buzzwords, catch phrases and slogans, thereby they re-affirmed the fact that they had been socially engineered to repeat cultish
behaviour patterns.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Only 'Destonians' speak or write using such
half-arsed, stilted jargon as 'applying the
tools' of 'self-forgiveness' and 'self-correction' and 'walking it' to 'birth life equal and one in the physical'. Motz has repeated all this and the doublethink refrain every other Desteni supporter has already repeated about anyone who
says Desteni is a cult: they 'have not done the research' and 'haven't
applied the tools'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Apparently, according to Destonians, Desteni is not a cult because the people who say it is are not Destonians. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">This is why Poolman says he's grateful
to the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/antidestenimovement" target="_blank">anti-Desteni movement</a>: it presents the evidence that
Desteni is a cult while he can rely on the commitment of people like Motz because they are willing to
disregard the evidence, dispense with logic, suspend their critical faculties and pay to work for Poolman's 'Desteni' cult.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/7DGKJrgfHcw?feature=player_embedded' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">However, Poolman's perspective is
self-defeated. His social engineering con tricks are so formulaic and
clichéd it is obvious he has deliberately set out to create a cult.
It may be psychologically
damaging for those involved but is rather more a
futile exercise in social engineering. All it proves is something already widely known: some people can be made to follow cultish behaviour patterns or with the right information they can avoid it.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Since their main channels were <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/08/desteni-youtube-accounts-terminated.html">terminated by YouTube</a>, the output of Desteni and their supporters has become
increasingly repetitive; Motz's video being only one example. Their
current output is lacking in content that
could possibly be of real interest to anyone but the 100-150 or so
persons already listed at Desteni websites as 'The Destonians'. And if you do a bit of research and
investigation you will see that quite a few of their number these
days appear to be lapsed or ex-members with no currently active blogs
or YouTube channels. Maybe they're just bored with being involved in a group
which only exists to prove it can socially engineer people to repeat cultish
behaviour patterns.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Desteni Doomed - 4</b>: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/12/desteni-doomed-4-related-material.html">Related Material Elsewhere</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/re-antihate-desteni-fabrications.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Re AntiHate Desteni Fabrications</span></a><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/anti-human-desteni-hate-machine.html"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Anti-Human Desteni Hate Machine</span></a></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-78011125905106006412012-11-08T19:59:00.000-05:002014-12-15T04:47:46.317-05:00Meet the REAL Sunette Spies!<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/AntiDestonian">AntiDestonian</a><br />
<br /></div>
<b><span style="font-size: large;">Pick Of Desteni - This is I</span></b><br />
<br />
<br />
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='429' height='340' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZcO-5V4lwGU?feature=player_embedded' frameborder='0'></iframe></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<br /></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><b>Watch more:</b>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/AntiDestonian/videos">Pick of Desteni parts 1-9 @ AntiDestonian</a></span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: right;">
<span style="font-size: small;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</a></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</a></div>
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/desteni-big-lie.html">The Desteni Big Lie</a><br />
<br />
<span style="font-size: large;"><br /></span></div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-39570761484111521382012-10-29T21:19:00.000-04:002016-09-06T17:32:12.382-04:00Cult Awareness - Desteni Doomed - 2<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">(continued from <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-1-voice-of-sane.html"><b>Desteni Doomed - 1: The Voice of a Sane Organization?</b></a>)</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In a talk entitled, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8L1778kqBQ">Cult Bashers are Con Artists</a>, the main spokesperson for the Desteni organisation, Bernard Poolman tells listeners to be
aware that exit counselor / cult expert, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Ross_(consultant)">Rick Ross</a> and others express ideas about Desteni being a cult in a confident
way and can thereby instill fear. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">The <a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042" target="_blank">Desteni thread</a> at the Cult
Education Forum run by the Rick A. Ross Institute began in 2008 and is
over 100 pages long. Like many groups before them, Desteni
dish the dirt on Rick Ross, but Mr
Ross has
in fact
only ever made a very few public statements about Desteni, probably the most significant being:</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni seems to be an enterprise
essentially dominated by Poolman and personality-driven. It
apparently contains his conspiracy theories, seemingly denigrates the
outside world and perhaps ultimately serves as a 'cash cow', which
Poolman seems to milk for his income. In my opinion Desteni can
easily be seen as a 'cult-like' and potentially unsafe group.</span></i></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">But it doesn't take an
expert to figure it out: anyone can see <a href="http://www.desteni.org/">Desteni</a> is quite obviously a New Age-style 'channeling'
cult running a Multi-Level Marketing scheme. At the <a href="http://soulpancake.com/conversations/view/89034/desteni-group-of-people-exploring-equality-oneness-principles.html">Soulpancake website</a> recently one concerned individual wrote that the Desteni website 'screams "CULT"'. Another describes it as 'a poor man's
Scientology'. Similar observations have been made on countless other websites and forums: the <a href="http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/forum/board/desteni">Skeptic Project</a>, <a href="http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102667">David Icke's Official Forums</a>,
the <a href="http://www.2012hoax.org/desteni">2012 Hoax</a>, the <a href="http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?6926-Desteni-Productions-Cult">Ex Scientologist Message Board</a>, <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread549571/pg1">Above Top Secret</a>, <a href="http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message514079/pg1">Godlike Productions</a> and many more.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Mr Poolman repeats his catch phrase, 'what is best for all', as if Desteni has to be 'what is best for all'. It is common knowledge that cults always claim to be best for all. That is
partly what makes them cults. Naturally, being cult members, those persons identifying themselves as 'Destonians' will tend to resist awareness of how cults operate. That is, in this instance with repeated use of
jargon and catch phrases and claims towards being the only group in the world that is for the universal greater good.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cults usually present themselves as unfairly persecuted by fear-mongers and liars. At the <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/">Destonian Wiki</a>, this blog is described as 'Internet Bullying, Propagation of Lies, Individual
Harassment'. URLs of this blog and many but not all of the YouTube channels
criticising Desteni are listed with the warning that the reader may
visit these sites 'at your own risk', as if it is somehow dangerous to read a blog or website or watch a video that merely criticises, mocks or satirises Desteni.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Criticising, mocking or satirising
statements of a group or individual in blogs, forums or videos is not the same thing as 'internet
bullying' or 'individual harassment'. Neither is it perpetrating a scam or <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/08/desteni-hoax-theory.html">hoax</a>, as Desteni also claim. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8L1778kqBQ">Cult Bashers are Con Artists</a>, Poolman repeats another of his tiresome slogans,
'the actual practical message of Jesus', which is what he says his group represents. Then he
makes an even more ludicrous statement: that atheism
is also 'the message of Jesus'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Cult leaders have very often claimed their groups represent the message of Jesus. And cults like Jim Jones' People's Temple,
Heaven's Gate, Aum Shinrikyo, The Order of the Solar Temple also made doomsday predictions.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiequZB_wOh7NGfxChF5i62efTV00PRXuH21aFySUIJWOgpsWnQDdDzqwjB2_oxTa3k7Wa99-61JLRlDSUlkfXMKqwtWcdzDPi35bxwj5DaXO5kVA1h4inrzUebyMro1a-Jzmd0FzpEbfY/s1600/desteni.doomsday.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="261" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiequZB_wOh7NGfxChF5i62efTV00PRXuH21aFySUIJWOgpsWnQDdDzqwjB2_oxTa3k7Wa99-61JLRlDSUlkfXMKqwtWcdzDPi35bxwj5DaXO5kVA1h4inrzUebyMro1a-Jzmd0FzpEbfY/s400/desteni.doomsday.JPG" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Desteni <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080113001308/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/futureeventsd.htm">doomsday predictions</a> -- 2007</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080113001308/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/futureeventsd.htm">In 2007, Desteni released a document</a> stating that 'Heaven will withdraw
World Leaders, Political Leaders, Religious Leaders, Corporate
Leaders and Crime Leaders in months to come' and that 'Children will
be able to see Beings from Heaven everywhere and communicate freely'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">In a supposed <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071220015041/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/edgar1.htm">'portalling' of Edgar Cayce </a>(1877–1945),
doomsday prophecies were made by the Desteni group about world-wide tsunamis,
hurricanes, tornadoes, massive earthquakes, snowstorms, volcanic
eruptions. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After their main channels were terminated in 2011
by <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/08/desteni-youtube-accounts-terminated.html">YouTube</a> for 'spam, scams and commercially deceptive content', and <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/08/desteni-banned-on-vimeo.html">Vimeo</a> for violation of the terms of contract, and they had become known for sporting skinheads, the 'principles of equality and oneness'
group abandoned their <a href="http://faceworldfaceoff.com/">FaceWorldFaceOff</a> campaign to 'get at least 100 million people to shave off their hair
as a statement of Standing up in no longer participation in the hair
industry'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">They <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/hitler-forgiving-cult-self-censor.html">voluntarily removed content pertaining to Adolf Hitler</a> from their website. They began blogging about their need for <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a> on a daily basis, branding it as a 'seven-year Journey to Life'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">After initially predicting that their 'Equal Money
System' would by 2020 start to become the inevitable outcome of everyone in the world
voting for it, they <a href="http://equalmoney.org/">reduced</a> it to a 'research and development Project
to formulate and investigate responses to general policies'. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">They launched an offshoot business
selling the <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/06/technotutor-front-for-desteni.html">Techno Tutor</a> software at an extortionate price. They have published numerous translations of their material in various languages. They have offered cut-price and
'blogging for sponsorship' deals for courses in Desteni 'self-mastery'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">None of this seems to have made any difference to their membership count. Their free <a href="http://lite.desteniiprocess.com/">Desteni I Process Lite</a> course is another attempt to increase numbers
but as with their other schemes typically lacks both the potential for popular appeal and any business acumen. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Not only do Destonians appear incapable
of addressing the question of the cult-like attributes of their group, they fail to recognise that 'Desteni' has no social, cultural or political credibility.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;">Unsurprisingly, since 2007, after publishing
thousands of videos, articles and
hundreds of blogs, Desteni have still only recruited around
100-150 active participants world-wide.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<br />
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: "verdana" , sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Desteni Doomed - 3</b>: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/11/cultish-behaviour-patterns-desteni.html">Cultish Behaviour Patterns</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-26082954326513431402012-10-22T21:06:00.000-04:002016-05-04T19:31:29.920-04:00The Voice of a Sane Organization? - Desteni Doomed - 1<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ivan Rauscher
</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">In a recent recording published on YouTube entitled <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnYLPPLolN8">Spoon Bending Secrets in the Matrix</a>,
spokesman for 'Desteni', a 'Group of People Exploring Equality & Oneness Principles', Bernard Poolman
claims all forms of group activity and mass movements
run on ectoplasm. He describes ectoplasm as 'a phenomena'
that was 'prevalent in the 1950s – big-time'.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://skepdic.com/ectoplasm.html">Ectoplasm</a> was not prevalent in the 1950s. The apparent phenomenon began
dying out in the 1930s. This is because ectoplasm and so-called
'materialisations', which had never been prevalent but took
place in Spiritualist séances of the 19<sup>th</sup> to early 20<sup>th</sup> Centuries, were proven by scientific and psychical
researchers to be fraudulent, as was Uri Geller's spoon-bending. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If, as Poolman
suggests, ectoplasm is in every human body and the driving force
behind all groups and mass movements we would still be none the
wiser. Although he claims no-one understands it, he fails to define what it is and offers no evidence it exists. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdDHlbvLeGeIDIBxY4lQtKtFwKCrL1SWD4o3gZIOaZcsfTNAop8HinQup42HPET-JpMHfDA8pqyMkiI16aIWKbK56ZYdcQ9GchwSgVYAWCQ4W3Ub84-arCWJkcUIDYXBRnyE19YnnGMn0/s1600/ectoplasm2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdDHlbvLeGeIDIBxY4lQtKtFwKCrL1SWD4o3gZIOaZcsfTNAop8HinQup42HPET-JpMHfDA8pqyMkiI16aIWKbK56ZYdcQ9GchwSgVYAWCQ4W3Ub84-arCWJkcUIDYXBRnyE19YnnGMn0/s400/ectoplasm2.jpg" width="253" /></span></a></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ectoplasm was a spectral trail of goo
that appeared to issue from the orifices of Spiritualist deep trance
mediums. It was said to be the 'life force' connecting them to
'spirit realms' and was faked by use of muslin, paper, egg white and
trick photography.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Ectoplasm and spoon-bending are charlatanry, as is 'deep trance
mediumship', which is synonymous with 'channeling'. That is, pretending to
be a conduit for otherworldly entities, as
practised throughout New Age religion and having its roots in
19th
Century
Theosophy, Spiritualism and prior religions or forms of spirituality.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><iframe allowfullscreen='allowfullscreen' webkitallowfullscreen='webkitallowfullscreen' mozallowfullscreen='mozallowfullscreen' width='320' height='266' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/AMRYkgBjCoA?feature=player_embedded' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></div>
</div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The term, 'channeling' became popular in the 1970s along with the advent of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Roberts">Jane Roberts</a>' 'Seth Speaks' act in which she went on about 'multidimensional reality'.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Sunette Spies is supposed to communicate 'interdimensionally' and be able to 'interview' the so-called 'mind
consciousness systems' of entities or <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UGxpPLfYYA">things</a>. 'Mind consciousness systems' is an
invented phrase of Poolman's Desteni. It practically means the same as 'spirits', just as
'dimensions' would be an alternative name for 'spirit realms'. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">After Spies' videos appeared on the web in 2007 many commentators described them as
a prank, evidence of multiple personality disorder, possession by demonic forces, some form of mind control or
schizophrenia. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Desteni material states that Spies trained with Poolman for at least two years prior to releasing her videos, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070417070837/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/">originally described</a> as
'channelings' on the Desteni-Universe website in 2007.
This was later changed to 'portal messages'. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni tried to define Spies as different to a channeler. Their reasons were nonsensical or futile, such as that she never got as tired as easily as a
channeler would, spoke for a wider range of entities
than any channeler, or had no prior background or training. </span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Someone calling herself a 'Destonian' recently <a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=536">made a remark</a> typical of inhabitants of the universe of 'desteni':</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">it also doesn't really matter 'who'
comes through the Portal -- if you watch the videos on YouTube you
will notice that every being in every video conveys the same message,
the same principle -- and so you're really just dealing with 'one
voice' coming through the portal.</span></i></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">As <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5L2R8F8N1c">Poolman said</a>:
<i>Understand that the message from
Desteni is not really the message from the portal. The portal is a
demonstration of what is possible in the physical. The message is
actually from me.</i></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Bernard Poolman has as yet only ever published audio recordings and a few still photos of himself, but there are thousands of videos of Sunette Spies acting as a 'portal' to his 'mind consciousness system'.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Apparently to offset the chance that he might be perceived as some kind of crank, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8L1778kqBQ">he states</a> that Desteni is 'one of the
most sane organizations the world has ever seen'. If this is the case and Poolman's idea about ectoplasm is
in fact true and only he really understands it then why
is Desteni not a mass movement?</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="text-align: center;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;"><b>Desteni Doomed - 2</b>: <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/desteni-doomed-2-cult-awareness.html">Cult Awareness</a></span></div>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</span></a></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-10638593546600513772012-09-28T22:03:00.001-04:002016-03-02T19:09:16.193-05:00New Age Occultism of Desteni Equal Money System<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Ivan Rauscher</span><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<b><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: large;">The New Age Ain't What It's Cracked Up To Be</span></b><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Since 2007, after having published
thousands of videos, articles and numerous websites,
the Desteni group of Kwa-Zulu Natal, South Africa have persuaded only about 100-150 </span><a href="http://destenigossip.livejournal.com/7908.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">superstitious New Agers and paranoid conspiracy theorists</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> to take part in their 'process'. After entering the Desteni 'process' these persons replace their previous, more typical New Age or conspiracy theories and beliefs with re-worked versions of the same deceptive theories and beliefs.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Much of the Desteni material is made up
of an apparent critique of New Age religion. For example, all their
recent responses to a video used to promote the laughable New Age 'channeling' cult of Abraham-Hicks (such as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPiAo9xj5NY">The BIGGEST Missing Piece - Response to Abraham Hicks</a>), where it is clear they are trying to recruit disillusioned Abraham-Hicks and 'Law of Attraction' followers. This is also why they label so many Desteni videos '2012' to appeal to believers in the 2012 hoax.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">It seems that Bernard Poolman and
the Desteni group are under the impression that New Age religion is the most
dominant, all-pervasive influence in society. Therefore it has to be
re-assessed and corrected in order for society to change. It is as though they are stuck in a
time-loop after reading the likes of Shirley MacLaine's <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_on_a_Limb_(book)" target="_blank">Out On A Limb</a> and imagining that it's all very cutting edge have on reflection come to the conclusion
that maybe the New Age scene is not quite what it's all cracked up to be. So to improve matters they re-configure
already existing New Age ideas, change the terminology a bit and give some different emphases, like 'equality' instead of 'spirituality', thereby contriving just
another New Agey philosophy, albeit mostly subliterate and
even more irrational and demented than the original material they
try to critique.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Bernard
Poolman has invented stories to the effect that due to his efforts 'heaven' has been purified and 'the dimensions' or 'White Light', ascended masters, reincarnation etc no longer exist, as
if these things ever did exist other than as fictions and myths of New Age religion. </span></span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">
</span>
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span>
<span style="font-size: small;">
</span>
</span><br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEijR3mLKB5V8N6pZ_zAT4AAl95AxZMx2g0aFzr6JKpQpC8XphBYuhkjtEznBlwz-S2AIjT0505z8_3VRHehsHaxGijVa8xU5xUyixBoVj_zf1Isx_Xm5PokT-xn1npTjfe_Jl-PjPuPIkI/s1600/Icke-Reptilian.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEijR3mLKB5V8N6pZ_zAT4AAl95AxZMx2g0aFzr6JKpQpC8XphBYuhkjtEznBlwz-S2AIjT0505z8_3VRHehsHaxGijVa8xU5xUyixBoVj_zf1Isx_Xm5PokT-xn1npTjfe_Jl-PjPuPIkI/s400/Icke-Reptilian.jpg" width="327" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">According to Desteni, humans were designed by reptilians</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Like the fans of New Age conspiracy
creator, </span><span style="font-size: small;">David Icke</span><span style="font-size: small;">, Destonians accept as fact the spurious notion that human beings were
designed by <a href="http://wiki.destonians.com/Annunaki">Anunnaki</a> reptilians, but they </span><span style="font-size: small;">take that one step further
into delusion and madness and also believe there are 'mind consciousness systems'
of Anunnaki reptilian gods, aliens, dead people, animals and inanimate objects which
communicate important messages for all humankind via Sunette
Spies of Desteni, whom they see as an </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">interdimensional portal</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> to 'heaven'
or 'the dimensions'. </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Yet the founder of the morbid Desteni </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html"><span style="font-size: small;">Reptilian Channeling Cult</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">, Bernard Poolman, </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5L2R8F8N1c" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">has stated</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">: </span><i><span style="font-size: small;">Understand that the message from
Desteni is not really the message from the portal. The portal is a
demonstration of what is possible in the physical. The message is
actually from me.</span></i><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">
</span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />In
</span></span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://desteni.org/a/bernard-poolman-the-history-and-purpose-of-channeling"><span style="font-size: small;">The
History and Purpose of Channeling</span></a></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">,</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"> Poolman writes that <i>the masters that were channeling</i> told him <i>all channels were preprogrammed according to the
instructions of the White Light and the Annunaki</i>. <br /><br />The assumed
veracity of that statement and almost all of Poolman's statements rests on
its theoretical premise as stereotypical, clichéd New Age doctrine
posing as objective fact merely on the basis of it being a re-worked
version of previous well-worn fantasies and dogma of </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">New Age religion</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><b><span style="font-size: large;">Cross-Referencing Fact & Fiction</span></b></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">S</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">tories </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">about Anunnaki </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">reptilians</span></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">are also at the </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">Xee-A Twelve website where </span></span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.se/Xee-A_Twelve"><span style="font-size: small;">Amitakh
Stanford</span></a></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">relays paranoid
schizophrenic sci-fi conspiracy theories. Like all </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">New Age
conspiracists, </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">Stanford is critical of </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;">the New Age
scene yet her ideas are derived entirely from mythologies of occultism. </span></span>Many New Age conspiracists
have this contradictory point of view, probably because they have been influenced by right-wing Christian fundamentalist conspiracy theories which label occultism
and the New Age movement as 'evil' tools of the nefarious Illuminati secret society.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Around 2008-9, Darryl W. Thomas of Desteni publicly
acknowledged and praised the striking similarities between the works
of Amitakh Stanford and the Desteni material at the previous, now
deleted Desteni forum.</span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /><br />Another
version of the fantastical Annunaki theories are part of the </span></span></span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Nuwaubian
Movement</span></span></a></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">
</span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">as created by Dr Malachi Z. York AKA Dwight York, author of 'The Holy Tablets', which is jam-packed full of New Age occultism. </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">YouTube channel, </span></span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ONEMNOOPOOH"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">ONEMNOOPOOH</span></span></a></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"> presents </span></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Nuwaubian videos as complementary to Desteni, and </span></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">another </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">New Age conspiracist Internet phenomenon known as </span></span></span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.wingmakers.com/"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">WingMakers.</span></span></a></span><span style="color: black;"><br /><br />Again, strong
similarities between 'the message' of WingMakers and the Desteni materials were noted by
Desteni members some years ago on their previous, now deleted
forum as well as at the </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://forum.wingmakers.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1712">WingMakers
forum</a></span><span style="color: black;">. More recently, the issue
was raised by a poster asking, </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://forum.desteni.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=3014">WINGMAKERS
SAME MESSAGE THAN DESTENI?</a></span> <span style="color: black;">WingMakers also peddles idiotic fairy tales about Anunnaki reptoids. The
strap-line for the WingMakers' </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://sovereignintegral.org/">Sovereign
Integral</a></span> <span style="color: black;">project is ‘Here
in breath... every breath. No mind to refract reality’, which is another cliché of New Age religion and fits exactly the Desteni outlook.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />The Desteni process involves key figures in
the group represented as having special abilities to
access 'the dimensions'. One of Poolman’s closest
collaborators, Esteni de Wet, </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtqP2rd3zg0"><span style="font-size: small;">acts
as clairvoyant oracle</span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span><span style="font-size: small;">and talks about levers, tentacles, rods, stars, dust or daggers which she claims she
can see on or around the bodies of Destonians. She and other 'Desteni I Process' trainers conjure up
such imagery to attempt to symbolise the psychological or
'interdimensional' state of some of the rank and file Destonians.</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">
</span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />The Desteni
material, in particular their 'History of Man' series, has many parallels with L. Ron
Hubbard’s sci-fi pseudo-religion of Scientology, in which it is
said that 'demons', 'bypass circuits in the mind' or
'engrams' recorded as image pictures of experiences created by 'the
reactive mind' can be made 'clear'. The state of 'clear' in Scientology would equate with
being 'birthed as equal as one in the physical' in Desteni.
Although touted as a religion or 'science of the mind', it is
well-known that the pernicious cult of </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_and_4.php"><span style="font-size: small;">Scientology is founded on occultism</span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;">.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />At the top of
the Desteni recommended reading list, </span><span style="font-size: small;">which has mysteriously been removed from public view, </span><span style="font-size: small;">was </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.bairdtspalding.org/frequently-asked-questions-about-baird-t-spalding"><span style="font-size: small;">Baird
T Spalding</span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;">'s 'Life and Teachings of the Masters of
the Far East'. In Poolman’s article, </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://desteni.org/a/bernard-poolman-the-history-and-purpose-of-channeling"><span style="font-size: small;">The
History and Purpose of Channeling </span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;">he references Spalding’s work as if it were
factual, when it has been proven to be fictional. </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span>
</span><br />
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEigEXCPlKOpD3-GVhpke7nb3oWv-jmgQkVolHxDhZupkwz0WYwlbirtyGgyrFwRtzQ9ZXHqInH2Jm9OV32tjDZWuhMIUwRWiZeMG2qKcX6nCDfc4Ndf-7Ayl6qBnpKzqEbvYSKTOPv_u-4/s1600/self-mastery_desteni.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEigEXCPlKOpD3-GVhpke7nb3oWv-jmgQkVolHxDhZupkwz0WYwlbirtyGgyrFwRtzQ9ZXHqInH2Jm9OV32tjDZWuhMIUwRWiZeMG2qKcX6nCDfc4Ndf-7Ayl6qBnpKzqEbvYSKTOPv_u-4/s400/self-mastery_desteni.jpg" width="280" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Rosicrucian 'Mastery of Self' circa 1947</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />New Age religion and occultism follow the Doctrine of Correspondences of the ancient Hermetic
philosophers as exemplified by the saying, 'As above, so below'
('as within, so without') which Poolman is very fond of
reciting (e.g.: </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuSXjhYIm70"><span style="font-size: small;">As
Above, So Below - That which is Immortal in Heaven, Shall be Immortal
on Earth</span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;">). The Doctrine of Correspondences is also the
defining principle of homoeopathy where it is called the
Doctrine of Signatures. In </span><span style="color: blue;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-hIR8lenaU"><span style="font-size: small;">The
Future of Homeopathy in an Equal Money System</span></a></span><span style="font-size: small;"> Poolman
stupidly says that homoeopathy will in the future
become the primary medicinal health support world-wide.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: inherit, Times New Roman, serif;">Historically,
occultism is the progenitor of the contemporary consumer marketing phenomenon that is New Age religion. New Age religion does include some insights about the human condition and some intriguing imaginative concepts but is almost entirely over-run by
plagiarists, frauds, self-appointed visionaries and gurus,
charlatans, fake psychics and mediums, philosophical fiction writers selling bogus money-making books and courses on 'self-mastery' or 'self-realisation'.<br /><br />The philosophy of occultism that underpins New Age religion presents fabulous
tales, fantastic cosmologies and seemingly wondrous philosophical and
psychological theories and symbols. It adopts and adapts religious
and scientific terminologies but is 'heretical' or
subversive in relation to religion and always pseudo-scientific.
Occultism is generally regarded as a discredited, superstitious and
archaic philosophy but continues to evolve in a variety of
ever-changing guises. </span></span><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: inherit, Times New Roman, serif;">Politically,
occultism very often presents its mythologies and practices as a
blueprint for a future paradisical Utopian society, hence the term,
'new age'. This takes shape in Desteni in the form of their 'equal'
money system cult scam.</span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: inherit, Times New Roman, serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: inherit, Times New Roman, serif;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: black;"><span style="font-family: inherit, Times New Roman, serif;"><b><span style="font-size: large;">Spam, Scams & Commercially Deceptive Content</span></b></span></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Destonians have constructed endless promo videos and spam blogs in
which they repeat vacuous slogans about 'equal money' being a 'system' that will transform
human behaviour and bring about 'heaven on earth'
when enough people 'join Desteni', become 'self-realised' or 'birthed as the physical' (as opposed to 'enlightened') and eventually form an
'Equal Life Party'. All of it is purely in order to solicit donations and
advertise and enroll recruits into sleazy capitalist ventures such as the </span><span style="font-size: small;">Desteni I Process</span><span style="font-size: small;"> courses
in so-called 'self-mastery' and the sale of the </span><span style="font-size: small;">Desteni-branded 'self-perfection' merchandise.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br />Last year, </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/08/desteni-youtube-accounts-terminated.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;"><span lang="zxx"><u><span style="font-size: small;">YouTube</span></u></span></span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> terminated the BernardPoolman, DesteniProductions and other Desteni-run channels because of their violation of YouTube policies against spam, scams and commercially
deceptive content, and complaints made against their videos
on Nazi leader, Adolf Hitler. Immediately afterwards, Desteni
attempted to migrate to the Vimeo video site but were promptly banned
from there as well. The Desteni I Process is a </span><span style="font-size: small;">Multi-Level Marketing scam</span><span style="font-size: small;">, hence illegal on Vimeo.</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Afterwards, Destonians claimed that they
had been banned for talking about equality. I</span><span style="font-size: small;">t seems they have even managed to deceive themselves into imagining that it is somehow controversial or taboo to talk about equality. </span></span></div>
<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
</div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Articles on
Desteni were published by South African newspaper, Sontag. An ex-member of the
cult was reported as describing Bernard Poolman as into group sex,
gambling and drugs
(See: </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/phantom-of-okahandja.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;"><span lang="zxx"><u><span style="font-size: small;">The
Phantom of Okahandja</span></u></span></span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> and the </span><a href="http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,105662#msg-105662" target="_blank"><span style="color: navy;"><span lang="zxx"><u><span style="font-size: small;">CultEducation Forum</span></u></span></span></a><span style="font-size: small;">). </span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span><b><span style="font-size: large;">Self-Forgiveness Via Nazi Mysticism</span></b></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">In a bid to avoid further
risk of adverse publicity, the 'Desteni' group voluntarily removed from their
website a so-called 'book' called 'I
Am Hitler' by Bernard Poolman; a diatribe against all
humankind (as is practically all </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/desteni-preacher-of-hate-bernard.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Poolman's output</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">) in which Adolf
Hitler is portrayed as a supremely powerful demonic entity that
Poolman is supposed to have communicated with in 'demon dimensions'.
</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The text can still be found at the </span><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071120041134/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/knownEarth.htm" target="_blank">Wayback Machine</a></span><span style="font-size: small;"> and the inane videos of
Sunette Spies supposedly 'channeling' or 'portalling' Hitler can still be found on one or another of their numerous other YouTube
channels that survived the culling (sometimes she uses an alternative fake name given to Hitler by Poolman: </span><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jwroZFNmI" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">MyKey</span></a><span style="font-size: small;">). </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Without providing any explanation,
Destonians claimed they had again been misunderstood. It is rather more that they have misunderstood. Poolman's portrayal of the Nazi Führer as
Christ-like
interdimensional
super-demon showing the way to 'self-forgiveness' is </span><span style="font-size: small;">the same as the Esoteric Hitlerism AKA Nazi Mysticism or </span><a href="http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE847BF9F05923B4E" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">Occult Fascism</span></a>
<span style="font-size: small;">as described by scholars such as recently deceased </span><span style="font-size: small;">Nicholas Goodrich-Clarke.</span><span style="font-size: small;"> </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">One of the main proponents of Esoteric
Hitlerism, </span><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://blacksuninvictus.org/serranointerview.html" target="_blank">Miguel Serrano</a></span><span style="font-size: small;">, described its </span><i><span style="font-size: small;">central Drama</span></i><span style="font-size: small;"> as </span><i><span style="font-size: small;">the apparition on this earth of the
Person Adolf Hitler, the last Avatar, who came to produce this
enormous storm, or catastrophe, in order to awaken all those who are
asleep, and to commence the New Age, which will come after the
Deluge</span></i><span style="font-size: small;">. </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">That is exactly how Hitler is described by Poolman, as emerging newly redeemed from 'demon dimensions' by virtue of Poolman's instructions to usher in the new age of Equal Money System through <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html" target="_blank">self-forgiveness</a>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><i><span style="font-size: small;">Hitler is presenting this experience as
a help, as a gift. Unwrap yourself, forgive yourself. Ask Hitler
questions. Ask Jesus, as God as yourself to guide you. Not the God of
words and believes. Look at creation. Who are you in creation? Do you
have any power but in yourself? Abuse will stop. In the years to come
there will come, there will be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth.
Hear Hitler. He has been here on earth. He has been a demon. He
forgave himself. He saw and sees who you really are.</span></i><span style="font-size: small;"> (</span><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20071120012721/http://www.desteni-universe.co.za/Osho/bernard11.htm" target="_blank">Bernard Poolman- Hitler and Forgiveness</a></span><span style="font-size: small;">)</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">Donald Herman, a South African New Ager who visited the Desteni farm in 2007, </span><span style="font-size: small;">described Poolman</span><span style="font-size: small;"> as a 'follower and disciple of Hitler' with a 'background of intense contact with Adolph Hitler' and this was discussed in another post here, </span><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html"><span style="font-size: small;">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</span></a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;">The Destonians </span>quite seriously put forward the nonsensical
idea that everyone thinks Hitler is the ultimate evil but
no-one recognises that poverty and starvation are worse. <span style="font-size: small;">They seem to imagine that Poolman has gifted human beings with a sublime allegory in which Hitler expresses 'self-forgiveness' and so now everyone should forgive themselves, 'join Desteni', talk in psychobabble and become a wannabe amateur con-artist and promote all the spam, scams, deceptive content and crappy merchandise concocted by the Desteni gang </span><span style="font-size: small;">by making personal self-confessional <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">self-forgiveness</a> blogs. </span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-size: small;">At least one Destonian now admits that participating in the Desteni 'process', contrary to previous claims, </span><a href="http://equalmoney.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=5979&start=50" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: small;">may not</span></a><span style="font-size: small;"> after all, help them get into politics in seven or twenty years' time. Although, she does add, it doesn't matter because 'the process' remains the same.</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span>
</span><br />
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><b>Related posts</b>:</span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html"><span style="font-size: small;">Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</span></a>
<span style="font-size: small;"><br /></span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-cult-of-self-forgiveness.html">The Cult of Self-Forgiveness</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">Desteni Portal Idiot Test</a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/05/destenis-new-age-guru.html">Desteni’s New Age Guru</a></span></div>
</div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7702202709140996242.post-24913895646528199172012-09-26T15:02:00.000-04:002016-01-21T17:26:21.581-05:00Equal Life Foundation: NPO for Equal Rights -- or Money & Food for Destonians?<div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on">
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni finances are managed via a bank account
with the name of 'Equal Life Foundation' (ELF).</span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">A Destonian running a
blog called <a href="http://adriansjourneytolife.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">adriansjourneytolife</a> left a strange comment in response to our
post, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/equal-money-system-cult-scam.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System Cult Scam</a>, claiming that because ELF is a
'non-profit organisation' then it is impossible for it to make any
profit. </span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Clearly, Adrian
has no idea of the extent of fraud and e-begging amongst 'non-profit' groups world-wide, many of which are cults or 'new religious movements'. Although he professes to be a Destonian,
Adrian has obviously not researched the Desteni material.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">ELF, as we pointed
out, is not a 'non-profit organisation'. A search at <a href="http://www.cipro.gov.za/2/home">http://www.cipro.gov.za/2/home</a> shows that ELF is a Non-Profit <i>Company</i>,
defined by the <a href="http://www.cipc.co.za/Companies.aspx" target="_blank">Companies Act of the Republic of South Africa</a> as: </span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"> </span></div>
<div class="western">
<i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">A company incorporated for public benefit or other
object relating to one or more cultural or social activities, or
communal or group interests; and </span></i><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The income and property of which are not
distributable to its incorporators, members, directors, officers or
persons related to any of them.</span></i></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">ELF has no Founding Statement but its Standard
Industrial Classification is: </span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<i><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">TO UNDERTAKE RESEARCH AND EDUCATION IN THE AREAS
OF LEADERSHIP SKILLS DEVELOPMENT PSYCHOLOGY FOOD PRODUCTION AND
MANAGEMENT.</span></i><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The Desteni group and all Destonians are
representatives of Equal Life Foundation. Everything they do in
Desteni is 'cool support' for ELF.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://desteni.org/support-our-research" target="_blank">ELF accepts donations for Desteni </a>general, animal, plant and
human 'research' but there is no evidence of
any zoological, botanical, anthropological or any other kind of 'research' carried out by Desteni and no
Destonian is qualified in these areas. All their material is based entirely around verbal or written pronouncements made by Bernard Poolman and Sunette Spies.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">This has been clarified by actual recordings made by Mr. Poolman and Ms. Spies. He is a self-confessed New Ager who claims he has renounced New Age religion yet has publicly stated that human beings were designed by Sumerian reptoid gods and that a waitress he picked up in a cafe, <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/desteni-portal-idiot-test.html">Sunette Spies</a>, revealed this to him, after he formally employed her as an 'interdimensional portal' or 'upgraded channel' for his company to speak on his behalf.</span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The ELF's 'research and education in the areas of
leadership skills' and 'psychology' involves the Desteni I Process and <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/eqafe-blues.html" target="_blank">Eqafe</a>. The Desteni I Process is a <a href="http://www.mlmwatch.org/" target="_blank">Multi-Level Marketing scheme</a> described as <i>a LifeStyle concept that
is simply achieving financial freedom slowly but surely</i>. Being a
recruiter <i>qualifies you to receive a percentage from each course fee
your recruit pays</i> and means <i>you'll earn 50% of her course fee</i> and
<i>Get Monthly Commissions</i>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Eqafe 'self-perfection merchandise' involves an
Affiliate Program where you are able to <i>sell and promote every
product you buy, starting from the very first product you buy</i> and
<i>earn 25% or 50% from the product price that is bought through you
promoting the product</i>.</span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The ELF's 'food production and management' would
come under the heading of the upkeep of the Desteni farm where the
core group reside and where, as with most farms, they grow food to
eat. It is not as though they produce food to feed the poverty-stricken or starving in South Africa or elsewhere.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Clearly, the <i>income and property</i> of ELF is in
fact <i>distributable to its incorporators, members, directors,
officers or persons related to any of them</i>. Therefore, according to the definition of the Companies Act of the Republic of South Africa, the Equal Life
Foundation can not be considered a legitimate Non-Profit Company.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsH0lrPFbvDdv3Gq4bgsMLjLHYgM61iF6jWrwu2qCucC2WvHfrbH2lZAvKLRrCfyffyA_QfKDkwAbf9w-GBfhuAgbFEkllhobSLIjFo5Z2Yd_A7aartW5kinbnx5nG4Zq92NeGIPAeAkY/s1600/equal.rights.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><img border="0" height="286" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjsH0lrPFbvDdv3Gq4bgsMLjLHYgM61iF6jWrwu2qCucC2WvHfrbH2lZAvKLRrCfyffyA_QfKDkwAbf9w-GBfhuAgbFEkllhobSLIjFo5Z2Yd_A7aartW5kinbnx5nG4Zq92NeGIPAeAkY/s400/equal.rights.jpg" width="400" /></span></a></td></tr>
<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Promoting equal rights: Equal Rights Trust</span></td></tr>
</tbody></table>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">There are millions of people everywhere standing up for equality and
equal rights. They are actively involved in the issues at stake. Just one example of the hundreds of <i>real</i> equal rights groups in the world 'as it exists in our current reality' would be the <a href="http://www.equalrightstrust.org/" target="_blank">Equal Rights Trust</a>.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Desteni's 'Equal Life Foundation' is not any such 'equal rights' group. It is a New Age <a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html">Channeling Cult</a> formed around Bernard Poolman and Sunette Spies' pointless re-interpretations of New Age and occult philosophies.</span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://equallife.org/" target="_blank">Equal Life Foundation</a> is
supposed to be for 'promotion and establishment of equal rights on a
global scale' but no ELF representative -- that is, no Destonian --
actually helps establish equal rights on any scale. All
they do is engage in online promotion of commercial business
ventures of 'Desteni'. They try to sell t-shirts and 'self-mastery' courses. </span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">ELF
appears to exist solely in order to manage finances of Desteni commercial
business ventures and the Desteni farm and to generate an income for their affiliates, known as 'Destonians'.</span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">If by some stretch of the imagination this is not the case, then perhaps
Adrian or another 'Destonian' would like to explain how or why ELF
is not 'profit-making' when it involves recruiting people into an MLM
scheme, earning monthly commissions, selling and making money from
the sale of products and accepting donations to help feed
ELF representatives...?</span></div>
</div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span></div>
<div class="western">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Fraudulent activities of any
Non-Profit Company in South Africa can be reported to the Companies and
Intellectual Property Commission
by sending a Fraud
Alert
at <a href="http://www.cipc.co.za/index.php/fraud-alert/" target="_blank">http://www.cipc.co.za/index.php/fraud-alert/</a></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br /></span>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><b>Related posts</b>:<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/09/equal-money-system-final-solution.html" target="_blank"></a></span></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-journey-to-lies.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Equal Money Journey to LIES</span></a><br />
<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/07/equal-money-system-reptilian-channeling.html" target="_blank">Equal Money System Reptilian Channeling Cult</a><a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/05/bernard-poolman-satanic-cult-leader.html" target="_blank"><br />Bernard Poolman, Satanic Cult Leader?</a></span><br />
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2012/03/eqafe-blues.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Eqafe Blues</span></a></div>
<div style="text-align: right;">
<a href="http://destenicult.blogspot.com/2011/10/hitler-forgiving-cult-self-censor.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">Hitler-Forgiving Cult Self-Censor</span></a></div>
<br /></div>
</div>
Desteni Cult bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02240425830239937974noreply@blogger.com0