Desteni And Communism [Mirrored]

MarioBrothaPHD

Desteni Commits Perjury Again

XfinksX

Desteni false DMCAed my Desteni and Communism vid.

You can still see it here:

http://blip.tv/anti-desteni-cult-hotline/desteni-and-communism-5371955

Dear Darryl W. Thomas and Desteni

FelidaTheG33k

READ THE LINKS:

Darryl's blog entry about me:
https://darrylthomas.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/why-does-tanja-hilton-hate-desteni/
My actual blog (link to entry about Desteni):
http://felidathegeek.blogspot.com/2011/05/dear-desteni-movement.html

Blogs and channels that are not mine, but are attributed to me by Darryl (show them some support):
http://destenigossip.livejournal.com
http://www.youtube.com/freespeech4tw

Enjoy the butthurt, Darryl - and there is more where this is coming from. ;-)

Equal Money System Cult Scam

0rdoTempliAurora

(Please note: several of the links in this post may be inactive since Desteni-affiliated channels were terminated by YouTube Aug 2011 and Desteni deleted their previous co.za web forum.)

[In July 2013, Desteni's promotion of its 'Equal Money System' was discontinued and superseded by the Equal Life Foundation Living Income Guaranteed, which was said to pave the way for the eventual implementation of the Equal Money System, but was also abandoned in 2016.]

The Desteni group predict there will soon be a world-wide financial crash. Then their ‘Equal Life Party’ will be voted into power as a global administration. They will give everyone in the world the same amount of money from birth to death. They will introduce a four-year conscription period in which everyone will work on labour camps for an ‘Equality Corporation’ producing all necessary products and services. Work outside the conscription period will be on a voluntary basis. Activities of everyone on the planet will be tracked with micro chip implants. All people will have become millionaires.

‘Equal money system’ is not practiced anywhere by any group, community or state. It has not been recognised by political or economics experts, radical commentators, political activists or the media. It is not in Wikipedia. ‘Equal money system’ is not a theory. It is a fantasy and a scam, based not on political philosophy, or political facts, but occultism, conspiracism and pseudoscience.

Bernard Poolman steals from, and at the same time, places the focus on demonising other theories or doctrines to win converts to Desteni. He takes conspiracy theories as a given device, uses them as promotional slogans and generalises about the conspiratorial forces of ‘the elite’ financial powers he sees as ‘the system’ standing in the way of his ‘Desteni’.

Ascended Masters: 'deleted' by Bernard Poolman

Poolman and his Desteni group’s obsessive condemnation of religious and occultic New Age beliefs such as reincarnation, the soul, the Law of Attraction, Ascended Masters and the White Light (in which these things are said to have been ‘deleted’) is supposed to show that the Desteni way of life is superior to spirituality because only Desteni facilitates a ‘process’ towards ‘heaven on earth’ with a global monetary system that will eliminate poverty. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that thousands of spiritual and religious movements the world over also claim to be facilitating a process towards heaven on earth and a global monetary system that will eliminate poverty.

Desteni’s anti-religious, anti-spiritual stance is pretense. The group members’ prophetic, messianic view of themselves is they have a predetermined future as major leaders in world politics. The Desteni ‘process’ involves ‘interdimensional portal’ videos, Bernard Poolman being a ‘self-realised’ hero, living the ‘message of Jesus’, ‘self-purification’, ‘life as breath’, ‘breath as awareness’, destruction of the ego, etc. It is focussed on pronouncements of metaphysical ‘beings from the Afterlife’, assertions pertaining to pseudo-scientific ‘mind consciousness systems’ and New Age self-help psychology where ‘self-honesty’, ‘self-forgiveness’ and ‘common sense’ are presented as so-called ‘tools’ for ‘self-realisation’. All of which notions are derived from religion and spiritual philosophies. 

The group’s comments on news items to do with poverty, starvation, crime, capitalist corruption etc, are to promote themselves as the collective saviour of the world. Their v-logs and blogs repeat: ‘investigate equal money system’. When you ‘investigate equal money system’ you find that it is described using the same semi-literate catch phrases as in Desteni members’ videos and blogs and involves a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid scheme. 

The Desteni I Process is currently the main method with which Desteni intends to finance their political party. They say it is a legitimate Multi-Level-Marketing business, but disregard the fact that Multi-Level-Marketing very often involves an illegal pyramid scheme. One of their members, supposedly specialising in the subject of the law and ‘equal money system’, Viktor Persson, compares the Desteni I Process to Herbalife. He seems to be unaware that Herbalife is one of the most well-known financial scams in the world. In surveys, it has been found that over ninety per cent of participants in all major Multi-Level-Marketing businesses have lost money. Participation in Multi-Level-Marketing and pyramid schemes is strongly advised against by financial experts and governments everywhere.

Desteni claims to ‘stand as’ ‘equality’. The members say they are about ‘self-expression’ yet admit they are opposed to freedom of expression. They refuse to co-operate with other groups. They ban and block all opinions except their own, and refuse to engage in constructive discussion except amongst those who agree not to make any criticisms. They denounce the work of charities as ‘evil’ yet their business operates just like a charity complete with unpaid volunteers and requests for donations. They don't regard any kind of direct political action as valid, yet they say they are against capitalism. Their outlook is full of contradictions and rigidly authoritarian.

Here's a recording of Poolman discussing 'what will happen to people that won't correct themselves' in an Equal Money System:

Run from a farm in South Africa, the core Desteni business group appears to have almost no outreach in the locality. The overwhelming majority of people in South Africa are black, yet local people in the group are whites. Desteni have practically nothing to say about equality as it pertains to real world issues of racism, cultural diversity or multiculturalism. They have made several statements condemning Jewish people. 

Love, marriage and/or sexual or romantic relationships in or outside of the group are not deemed acceptable, only so-called ‘agreements’ between paid-up members of the Desteni organisation are permitted. As regards equal rights of sexual minorities, again Desteni have no comment to make. They regard love as ‘the greatest evil that has ever existed’ and the family as the foundation of prostitution and a breeding ground for ‘demons’. They say that friendship is ‘evil’ and all friendships must be stopped.

They condemn masturbation, pornography and any form of sexual fantasy, as well as hair, cosmetics, jewellery and fashion. They disapprove of vegetarians and regard poetry as ‘disgusting’. They denounce anyone who drinks alcohol or takes other recreational drugs, yet they partake of MDMA (Ecstasy) in controlled situations. They freely admit they reject the creative imagination and the intellect. They have no respect for the scientific method or peer review. 

Bernard Poolman and those who have been closely trained by him tell the other members of the group what to speak or write about. He has final say over everything the group does. Apart from their own websites, their only vehicle for ‘equal money system’ is another website called equalmoney.org which is just a promotional gimmick to advertise, amongst other things, Bernard Poolman’s fantasies about running a corporation. The only system involved in ‘equal money system’ is the Desteni belief system.

Bernard Poolman's inspiration, millionaire, Osho Rajneesh with one of his fleet of Rolls Royces

Desteni members say they have no beliefs. This idea is taken directly from Indian mystic, Osho Rajneesh, who was leader of the orange people cult and said as regards belief, things like, ‘anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy’, ‘belief belongs to the mind’ and ‘I don’t want people to have any kind of belief system’. Osho's name is misused for several Desteni ‘interdimensional portal messages’. Bernard Poolman, who gives the Desteni group its belief system, regards Osho as one of his main sources of inspiration. There are more books by Osho than any other author on the Desteni recommended reading list.

Desteni members like to appear as if they are the ultimate authority to contest the failings of democracy, consumerism, capitalism, as if no-one else is doing such a thing or is incapable of it. They talk about it as though everyone not in Desteni is working to keep ‘the current system’ going. It’s as if Desteni members imagine they are the only ones forming an effective organisation to finally oppose and destroy capitalism. 

However, Desteni is a grotesque parody of the consumerist ‘system’ it claims to despise. In their amateur attempts at branding, marketing, selling t-shirts and engaging in public relations, Desteni ends up mimicking the mores and language of the very authoritarian state powers and corporations it pretends to oppose. They make poorly constructed graphics copying the form and content of advertising billboards and slogans. They even go so far as to blatantly steal the logo design of the Apple AppStore, from one the most famous corporations in the world, Apple Inc, for the logo of their so-called ‘I Process’ (which in turn sounds suspiciously like ‘iPhone’, ‘iPod’ or iPad’).

‘Equal money system’ serves as a front for Bernard Poolman and the Desteni Structural Resonance Alignment trainers' destruction of other people’s personalities. Destroying personalities is something they admit they are setting out to do. They are very keen to get rid of people’s thoughts, feelings and emotions, and to remove consciousness and ‘the mind’ from existence. They see it as purifying the world of ‘demons’.

The way the Desteni group conducts itself it is precisely what academics, the media and the general public understand as a ‘cult’. The ‘equal money system’ slogan serves to appeal to idealistic, naïve, mainly disillusioned New Agers (this can be seen on their Introduction to Desteni forum where nearly all participants describe their former interest in New Ageism). It hoodwinks them into donating money to and working for free for the Desteni for-profit capitalist business, while participating in the Desteni I Process Multi-Level Marketing scheme, a so-called ‘educational’ course in ‘leadership’. It replaces their disillusionment with hackneyed New Age religious concepts with an apparently different, more radical or practical world-view.

Yet everything on offer is only a re-working of standard New Age religious dogma and self-help psychology. Desteni is a heretical sect attempting to, but failing to break away from and re-define spirituality and New Age religion. ‘Equal money system’ is just one of its recruitment devices.

Related posts:
Desteni Doomed - 6: The Equality Lie
Equal Money System Final Solution: Eugenics
Desteni Discussions

Equal Money System: Spreading the FAQ?
Equal Money System, political agenda of a cult
The Real Equal Money System

Response to LLCraver on the Real Equal Money System

Desteni Wikipedia

JustPooIman

[See also: Desteni Wikipedia: non-notable website, vandalism, brainwashing cult -- added Nov 11]

"Destonians" = genuine people?

freespeech4tw

"Have a nice summer" if you catch my drift.
If not watch 'Buffy the vampire slayer' season 1 eposide 11 'Out of eyes, out of sight'.
Keep an eye out for these phrases, those are only the ones I found in 15 minutes of unmotivated yt-surfing.

Desteni Love = Money & Microchips

Ivan Rauscher

Desteni say they're anti-hate but does that mean they're ‘pro-love’?

They are taught to regard hate and love as ‘two sides of the same coin - a mind construct through which people enslave themselves and each-other into lying and deceiving and becoming greedy in self-interest’ (Bella Bargilly). 

In a video starring Sunette Spies as ‘The Portal’, of ‘the actual system program, Design of Love’, she suggests to ‘everyone in existence’ that...

‘The word love is the most disgusting, vulgar word that exists, because love is THE most abusive word that exists within existence. Uttering and speaking the word love usually supported the manifestation of child abuse, child molestation and rape in this world.’

Spies explains that because use of the word love tends to form relationships, connect people and create ‘systems’, she strongly advises against it. She says of love, ‘don't speak it, don't believe in it, it does not exist’, ‘if love exists within you, discard it’, and claims ‘there is not one thing of beauty in this world’.

This might suggest that as well as being anti-hate, Desteni are also anti-love, but there is more to it than that. They are of the view that love is not at present a reality and only Equal Money is Real Love & Oneness. 

They define love as ‘equality’ and say that ‘love is only real where equality is real’, and Real Love is to Give to the Desteni cult, which according to Bernard Poolman, everyone should join, because it is the best cult in the world and the only one capable of bringing about a Micro-Chip Solution for Real Love and Oneness. In other words, ‘love’ is only possible through money that is ‘equal’ and that is only possible through micro-chip technology.

They propose that their ‘equal money’ micro-chip final solution will eventually come about when enough people buy into their multi-level marketing scheme and buy Desteni t-shirts (‘get dressed for equality!’) to help fund an Equal Life Foundation, an Equality Corporation and Equal Life Party, all of which will be towards imposing financial Equality on this World. In turn, they say this will induce a common sense of actual, real ‘equality’ in all areas of life for all people everywhere.

So, according to Desteni, real love does not exist, but it will exist when the Desteni organisation gets enough money to finance a political party, a corporation and what they say are the required technological means to enforce ‘equality’.

Anti-Human Desteni Hate Machine

0rdoTempliAurora 
(with thanks to Istenenergia, XfinksX and antidestenimovement)

Months after certain videos made by critics of Desteni have been released, the Desteni group have started to comment on them. In their typical group-think, Borg-like manner, Desteni members mostly ‘respond’ to selected videos of their critics all at the same time via so-called ‘anti hate’ channels. Each chooses the same videos to ‘respond’ to and gives their own videos the same titles. It happens automatically, like a machine. 

However, these ‘anti hate’ videos are not ‘responses’ in the accepted YouTube sense because they are not linked as responses, and those critics whose videos are reviewed are already blocked, so none of the critics can respond back directly. 

Their critics' comments are dismissed, ignored or misrepresented, and the usual Desteni dogma is trotted out by rote, as we have heard many times before.

Cathy Krafft follows up her original antihate video on an 0rdo Templi Aurora video, Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman -part 1 with another on her own channel called What I have to say about the Beast of Desteni Universe - EXPOSED.

She assumes that one person made Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman - part 1 and four minutes into her video, Cathy Krafft recommends that he or she should commit suicide. Then she retracts her statement. 

‘Bernard Poolman is the most unselfish individual walking the face of this earth’, says Cathy. She adds several comments below her video containing quotes from the Beast of Desteni Universe himself, as if he were an authority on something or other. 

We received an email from YouTube stating that YouTube received a privacy complaint from an individual regarding content of the second part of Desteni Preacher of Hate, Bernard Poolman and were given 48 hours to remove the video, which we have not done.

The information reported as violating privacy at 0_36-0_40 was highlighted as a clip by the antidestenimovement channel.

The mere mention of Cameron Cope’s name is supposedly ‘privacy violation’. Nothing else. Cameron Cope runs a YouTube channel under the name, cameronvcope. He has publicly made his name known for some years and has his own blog and profile page on the Desteni website. He has publicly discussed his business, Desteni Education, at the Cult Education Forum with the user name, Cameron Cope.

Cameron Cope, Cathy Krafft and their pals would prefer it if Desteni critics would just disappear off the face of the earth. They really hate it when we point out that their leader is a con-man. 

It is a simple fact that the majority of Bernard Poolman's speeches are attacks on various kinds of people, most often without any justification other than the idea that money is not ‘equal’ and people generally are not members of Desteni. He never makes any coherent criticisms, he just wallows in hostility. He is very fond of calling all kinds of people and things ‘evil’. He's always making a big deal of what he calls ‘equality’ but says to his followers, ‘You are not equal to me, there is no such thing’ (see: Equality on this World).

He appears to have an extreme dislike of other people's capacity to think for and express themselves. Poolman's basic position is that he regards human beings as ‘trapped by consciousness’ and ‘evil’ by ‘design’. He regards individuality as evil. As he says in Cold blooded nature of individualism, 'individuality deserves not to exist and must be rooted out forevermore'. 

To Bernard Poolman, other human beings are demonic entities. All people’s thoughts, feelings or emotions, and even consciousness itself must be removed altogether, as must ‘the mind’. He actively encourages his followers to believe that everyone else is evil and hateful and only he and his Desteni organisation can save them. He describes ‘the human’ as 'in essence really something that cannot be trusted and must be eradicated at all costs’.  

In his own response to the Desteni Preacher of Hate videos, released 11 Nov 2010, months before the Desteni ‘anti hate’ campaign, whilst feigning, as usual, Christian forgiveness, Poolman admitted that he does ‘do hate speech’ because he speaks ‘what people hate to hear’ and of course his opponents are ‘evil incarnate’ (see: Preaching Hate Speech).

Poolman's network of consumerist drones loyal to the Desteni brand serves as a propaganda machine to convey his lies, delusions and hatred, and to instil that hatred in others. They're a gaggle of yes-people all repeating the same information. They communicate in catch phrases and jeer each other on with exclamations of ‘cool!’. When people have to say ‘cool’ so often, you know there’s nothing ‘cool’ whatsoever going on.

In supporting Poolman and echoing his views, the Desteni group enter a twilight world of inter-passive solipsism directed at others in the form of preaching what's ‘best for all’. Apparently, to bring about world equality, everyone must destroy themselves.

Desteni are ‘anti’ everything. Preoccupied with their own neuroses, they demonise others, their former friends and family, and everything that is not Desteni. It's all due to Poolman's influence, his cynical ploy to cash in on people's fears of widespread economic instability, hopes for a more just world and need to connect with others. They want to believe that they will vote for a Desteni monetary system and it will save them from ‘evil’. They take it on faith that conforming to Desteni is the inevitable ‘future of the world’, when it's just an internet scam designed to support Poolman's sordid little business.