Sunday 8 April 2012

Does Desteni Equality = Equality?

Ivan Rauscher

According to Desteni, 'equality' means no diversity, no tolerance, no free speech, no belief, no emotions, feelings or thoughts. It also involves becoming at one with inanimate objects. Under the heading, Equality and Oneness at, Destonians recommend that the reader should watch videos of Sunette Spies being a camera lens, a pillow, a panty liner, a gas pump etc in order to gain a

perspective in understanding that that which exist, even the very keyboard you type upon – is no different to you, and thus it is to establish oneness and equality within and as all that exist within and as you as ‘who you are’ here in every moment of breath

Destonian, Joe Kou has not missed this essential part of the teachings of Destonianism. At his 'Bringing Forth World Equality' blog, Kou asks Are Rocks Life? Are Rocks as Important as Humans?...

If we actually care that much about surviving, then we need to get busy considering what actually is keeping us alive here right now. Which is this planet and nature. Without these functioning properly and being utilized effectively, the human cannot exist. Thus the human is no better than the animals, nature, even rocks. Have a look around and see if there is any concrete nearby, there is probably some in your house somewhere, or a building nearby. What’s concrete made of? Crushed rocks. It’s used in many homes as an effective building material for humans to live in. The home I live in now is constructed mostly from concrete. And the very ground we walk on has rock as in its structure. It’s used within roads to transport goods and materials that we utilize. Some animals even require to eat small rocks to aid with their digestion, like chickens, and those animals play an important part in our food chain.

While they are busy considering themselves as equal in status to inanimate objects, some persons utilising the Desteni material also seem to be under the impression that Desteni is the only group of people in the history of the world ever to have considered equality itself. They seem to be of the view that no group except Desteni discusses the flaws of the prevailing economic system. At his blog, 'Equality can be a reality - Socio-economic perspective on practical equality available through an Equal Money System', Larys Kaziukonis writes in 2012: Flaws in the design of our economic system - unemployment:

This might be just a first part of a series of blogs about the flaws in the very design of the economic system (we’ll see about that in the future). I find it relevant to write about it, because I notice that flaws that are in the very design of the system, are not tackled, challenged, discussed, and because of that they are not being properly understood or considered. Those things seems to be perceived and accepted as ‘beyond’ change, and seems to be forgotten, even though they are present and influence our lives everyday, constantly.
If indeed Destonians are tackling the issues of equality or inequality, then one might expect them to be reading the latest books on the subject and discussing them in earnest. However, at the Introduction to Desteni forum, under the heading of Music, Documentaries, Books for Equality there are no discussions about books, not even their own.

At their Equal Money System forum under Book Reviews & Recommended Reading there is some cut and pasted information about a very few books, but no discussion. There is a Recommended Reading List but again, no discussion about its contents.

Thousands of new books that are in favour of equality are being published all the time. It would seem reasonable that Desteni might try to forge alliances with the people writing them, but they don't.

Destonians say that challenging inequality or capitalism by taking part in any protest, charity or activism is useless. Instead they want people to flood the Internet with blogs and videos denouncing capitalism and promoting Desteni, which is a for-profit capitalist business. Even though they say that that protesting on the streets against capitalism achieves nothing, they appear to be of the view that protesting against capitalism on the Internet does achieve something.

As everyone knows, there are numerous political parties, individuals and groups that campaign for equal rights, and represent equality as a principle. The only such organisation Desteni appears to support is the Basic Income Grant Coalition, even though that campaign involves activism, to which they are opposed, and as far as we can tell, none of them are involved in it.

Destonians suggest that the only possible way forward for equality is by supporting their political party, 'Equal Life Party', but 'Equal Life Party' does not actually exist and there is no evidence that they are forming any such political party. They are more preoccupied with publishing affirmations or confessions in the form of sentences beginning, 'I forgive myself for accepting and allowing myself to...' -- a practice they call 'self-forgiveness'. This is what they see as a key factor in bringing about world equality.

In one of his speeches, How Does Self-Forgiveness Work, and How Do I Know When My Self-Forgiveness Is Effective? Desteni founding member, Bernard Poolman says:

If you are focusing your attention on helping humans, you are missing the point. The point is to establish a system of equality that place the humans in the point where they will not abuse the plants and the animals, which is equal money. Equal money is not there to help the human. The human is in essence really something that cannot be trusted and must be eradicated at all costs.

Destonians' version of equality involves regarding other human beings as brainwashed, demon-possessed organic robots that need to use 'tools' of 'self-purification' and 'self-forgiveness'.

Desteni does not, as might be imagined, represent a humanitarian philosophy, and although their references to 'equality' could suggest that they have an egalitarian social and political message, in the fields of social justice, economics, politics, political philosophy or human rights the Desteni version of 'equality' would not ever be taken seriously. Their general ideas as communicated in, for example, the video quoted above or others such as Desteni Secrets Revealed would to most people not make any rational sense. More specifically, their ideas about equality either bear no relation to it or they contradict the meaning and use of the word as it pertains to social issues or political philosophy.

Their 'equal money system' new age of 'equality and oneness' is inspired by channellings, or as they prefer to call them, 'interdimensional portal messages'. Desteni are more akin to similar such groups, like the Imzaia Movement or Share International than to any social or political movement for equality. However, unlike these groups, Desteni have an extremely limited and obscure way of promoting their ideas, where they do not hold public meetings, they confine their activities to the Internet and invite only a few select members to their farm.

Being a Destonian and supporting 'equal money system' is about regarding Desteni as the only worthwhile group on the planet and modifying personal behaviour by attending to theories and practices to do with reptilians, being a portal, 'heaven on earth', Atlanteans, Destonians having sex with one another, channeling, astral projection, interdimensional contact with dead people, 'self-forgiveness', demon possession, 'mind consciousness systems', deprogramming oneself from Annunaki mind control, etc. As well as becoming 'equal' to inert physical objects.

There is of course a case for saying that everyone on the planet has a basic human right to equality, to food, clothing, shelter and a guaranteed income, but the Desteni equal money system is not it.


Anonymous said...

self-forgiveness is the same as brainwash of hitler, hitler makes the same, soo they don't whant to know what they kill or what they do, heven if we burn all the planet with that brainwash, will be the same, as.. "nothing happen"...
in the other hand we need to see in the monetary system, when more the system is free more corrupt and more bankroupt is, the only way to stop, is starting with a totalitary system.
in our ancestors, when the economy enter in crisis (was a free system), then the dictators torture and sacrifice to build the economy again.
then the same process, freedom and crisis, then dictators, then freedom again and now again crisis, and this economy desteni whants, will just get worst the economy of today, and make 4 years of military intervention, is the same like hitler brainwhash. is like the history is allways repeating, and is what we see in history....... be the way, sounds familiar someone in follwers of this blog having one cult member?

Anonymous said...

soo the hitler doens't make the same, shaving the people and making brainwash, so they don't whant to care who they kill or who they are or what they make? i know you are talking about the way of ems, but the nazi hitler, is in the same camp.

I recommend anyone here that know how to work with an HTML, or have google chrome for example, click on top of this site ( in likes with "right click" - "inspect element"

and search for the source were that number comes from, if is a real page of facebook or not and what kind of source is.

Desteni Cult blog said...

@the previous commentator: Desteni are not suggesting anyone goes and kills anyone, and a self-help technique used in an obscure cult cannot realistically be compared to WWII Nazi propaganda or German nationalism.

But at least you have finally given some reference point as re: the elusive figure of 8000, which is in fact not visible in all browsers. Took you a while!

Clicking on a Facebook "like" button on a webpage is not the same as being a supporter and no indication that the "likers" have read much of the content. In any case, Destonians are well known to be rampant spammers. It is part of their training.

As can be seen at their forums, people who express an interest in EMS are always encouraged to read up on it properly and join Desteni. Those who actively support and promote EMS are the 100-150 or so Destonians but if there is any evidence otherwise, provide the links.

Anonymous said...

i saw this link in your website, did someone here claimed something about this cult?

if not let me know, i would like to share with facnet and see what they say about this cult.
in the other side,the fascist cults or hitler's cult, use another kind of world, like, they create their won world, and they contradict everything unlike, example, i saw in one of the websites of desteni the positive side is the war betweenn nations, and i respond to myself "what the f?".
doens't make really sence, maibe this is on, last time i saw. this is what make so insane all kinds of conversation, and for us, and they convince people about that, because they don't see the definition of the word.

YouAreThePath said...

Hey, it's good to see that someone is exposing these modern day puritans for what they are. I'd do the same but I just find it hard work sometimes. You're doing an excellent job!

Desteni Cult blog said...

@YouAreThePath: Cheers! Yes, it's a very puritanical attitude, trying to preach that only their group represents equality and no-one else, as if equality isn't for everyone. But, hey, it's a deranged fanatical cult not an equal rights group.

Anonymous said...

now they change in the last days the website and the 8000 false likes and are not there, see for yourself.

as you can see the last days, they iniciate a new project

maybe they see here too much complaints about the number and falsity of the website, then decide to change to make this blog "destenicult" a liar, soo the people here can't see the 8000 false supporters when someone is looking for, and see if the comment is true or not, in this case, one more again they fail.
they are changing the visual and showing the berny face, but not change the fact about their actions, and that maybe is limited.
for the same motive, they change everything and try to makes us sheeps, like somoene in the followers that belongs to desteni, and works here like a "bot" "sentinel" to see how is the business here.
put this comment here, soo the new people can see here why they change everything, unless, if the desteni bot in "followers", exit from following and one more again, trying to make me a sheep, including this comment, but everything is said.

Desteni Cult blog said...

It is a bit odd that only two or three weeks ago on the site 8000 Facebook "likes" were displayed but since they've re-vamped the site there are only about 100 or so votes for each EMS "policy". It's stayed like that for the past few days.

Anonymous said...

so, that really means the 100 are the real number of supporters? well is more less than i think.
with 100 is concider a danger for me.

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